Utah's Covid Response

I fear by the title of this topic it’ll get political - but really I want to talk about what is happening in the state, particularly with schools.

I have 3 kids, two go to Granite School District schools, and one goes to a SL School District school. The two districts responses have been very different to starting school back up. SLSD is online only right now. Granite has been in person, but kids can opt for online.

My oldest opted for online - he is fairly introverted and very bright, so he has been fine. He also is doing a side program through SLCC for college credit, so he does get human interaction.

My middle child in Jr high opted to go in person. Two weeks in she got quarantined, which meant she was on lockdown for 14 days (although our family wasn’t). But no friends, etc. She opted after that to do strictly online, because then at least she could do things with friends.

So as of right now, all of my kids are doing strictly online. I went to a high school football game last week, none of the kids were distancing, most of the parents weren’t either or wearing masks (they’d wear them in and then take them off once in the stadium).

It seems most people I know who have gotten it have gotten it through kids who got it at school, and who is surprised by that. Fortunately no hospitalizations over Covid, it has all been mild.

Numbers are going up, I spoke to someone who works for the U hospital system who is in charge of statistical analysis and they expect numbers to go up to 3000 a day by Thanksgiving, especially when families get together. People being forced inside isn’t going to help.

Of course, the rising numbers means the anti-mask crowd is crowing that they don’t work. I think they do HELP but the spread is happening on a household and personal friend-to-friend level - schools and everything else.

Regarding schools, I don’t know how any of this is sustainable. We’ve got people refusing to get tested now or lying about being sick for fear of quarantine. It’s a big mess. I can’t believe what school teachers are going through right now, good thing we pay them so well.

The state response has been ■■■■■■■

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There’s no response and no plan that won’t upset a large group of people. It’s just that divisive. Ran into this article the other day regarding the Salt Lake School Board and the drama in that group.

Go West!

This is tough. I live in Washington. My inlaws (who are my parents, I don’t have contact with my parents) live in Utah along with my wife’s sisters and their families.

Last week my FIL found out that a customer that came through his office had COVID. My FIL has heart issues and is over 65. In all the risk groups.

I texted them last night after seeing the cases in Utah. They responded like it was news to them. They claimed they had no idea it was bad in Utah, that their kids are all fine at school and it’s not a big deal. I sent them some of the recent news articles and their response was, and I quote, “don’t get caught up in fear porn used by the news agencies to drive up clicks”.

One said that he views this as no different than “war - we make the decision to go to war to save some lives in the future but knowing people will die in the immediate future.”

They just don’t care. It doesn’t affect them, at least it hasn’t yet, and they couldn’t be bothered with it. The one brother has lost money with this and he just wants to get back to his big bonus checks. It’s crazy.

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Can a state’s approach to dealing with the pandemic make a difference? I would say yes, neighboring countries in Europe and Asia have vastly different approaches and differing results even though they share borders and highways.

The numbers indicate a few teachers will eventually die from contracting COVID at their place of employment which will trigger expensive lawsuits against the district. I’m surprised so many school districts seem to have no fear of this.

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@The_Jim_Fassel_Era the legislature passed a “shield law” preventing employees from suing their employers due to COVID.

@Swanton your family’s response reminds me again of an old “Jim Rome” message board statement I had to use…

“You can lead a clone to the keyboard, but you can’t make them think.”

@RockerUte I worry about you and your children. The response-no response is a dangerous game being played. The truth is the politicization of the health orders happened 100 years ago during the Spanish Influenza, to include resistance wearing masks. Yes, we killed a few million with that one; and the whole epilogue for lessons learned should have been “wear the mask and slow or stop the spread.”

What we got was “Lessons Forgotten.”

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For comparison’s sake - Florida recorded 2144 cases yesterday, and they have ~7X the population. When you are now handling COVID worse than FLORIDA, something is wrong. This spike does seem to correlate to a major religious organization opening up in person meetings again…

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Maybe, but we’re in a spike here in CO as well. Many states are dealing with this now.

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Uh… that correlation isn’t correct. LDS church meetings have been opened since June/July and strictly masked and social distanced. It’s clearly correlated with schools resuming and general fatigue on restrictions/masks.

Also, Florida at its peak was about 15,000 new cases a day, their 3000 a day they are currently at is after that peak. Doesn’t make sense to do a same day comparison of anywhere when spikes are going to be different. This is why I get frustrated with Covid discussions, everybody wants to bend the stats to prove their own points.

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The whole post was more TIC than anything else - I just started my neighbors headed to church in what seemed like the last month or so.

As for Florida - the point was they handled it HORRENDOUSLY initially, but have since started getting it together (relatively), and curbed their spike. They have implemented curfews at bars, local mask mandates (and some with fines). Again, the post was more TIC; but in all seriousness, at no point should we be anywhere close to Florida’s numbers, spike or not, both in part to the population differences, and because it is FLORIDA.

I thought that is what stats are for.

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Pretty much seems related to schools re-opening.

In the charts I am keeping, The week of Aug 17-23 state had 2463 cases (lowest since mid June) and the weekly total has increased every single week since then, hit 8550 in the week of Oct 12-18. and this week is still trending higher

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And all of my griping about it, I honestly don’t know the answer. We are lucky with WFH and my wife being a stay-at-home mom that we can make online school work. If you are like most people, having a kid stay home - how do you even work? Such a nightmare.

So it seems like schools need to open - but then we get this stuff.

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The best option is unattainable because people as a whole aren’t willing to do it. If I was dictator for a month I would inform everybody they have 1 week to get their ■■■■ together and then we’re going full lock down for 3 weeks. No groceries, no restaurants, no school, nothing except for the most dire emergency services. It just won’t happen so we are left to the mercy of medicine and our joke of a public healthcare system.

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This actually is a legitimate solution that is 100% possible. A lot of people take two weeks off Christmas and New Year’s anyway. Why not mandate right now Dec 15 - Jan 15 full lock down and be done with it?

It will come right back? No. We have testing and masks and everything in place to keep it from spreading.

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[quote=“RockerUte, post:1, topic:4413”] got people refusing to get tested now or lying about being sick for fear of quarantine. It’s a big mess. I can’t believe what school teachers are going through right now, good thing we pay them so well.
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I live in Saratoga Springs, and have a jr in high school and a freshman and its been frustrating. Parents openly saying they won’t test their kids so they don’t get quarantined, girls on my daughters high school soccer team getting quarantined but still coming to games, boys on my sons baseball team starting their 3rd GD round of being quarantined. Its a freaking mess in my neck of the woods.

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And that’s the issue.

Most of the school outbreaks come from the extracurricular activities and the parent driven underground dances and parties.

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Not sure why any sane, reasonable person would make this issue a political one. That said, at this point, I no longer really care about how other people deal with Covid – I’ll continue to do my part of wearing mask, maintain distancing, etc.

People live, people die. Let Freedumb reign.

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Perhaps if it were actually a flu strain that guaranteed immunity it would be easier to have a laissez-faire approach (not really though) but, no one knows how long immunity lasts with a corona virus and there are obviously long-term effects even if people have moderate symptoms. That means that the economy and the ability to return to “normalcy” could be compromised for quite some time. So I don’t see any utility allowing massive amounts of the populace to encounter this disease if they can avoid it in the first place.
But I think in some ways the rural counties will really be impacted the most. Maybe not by sheer numbers, but by the actual impact of their community.
What happens when the guy who owns the local pharmacy or tractor dealership, whatever…succumbs to the disease? Is it going to be easy to replace businesses that are closed?

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