COVID-19 Discussion (No Politics)

NBC News, June 28: Some COVID-19 patients aren't getting better. Major medical centers are trying to figure out how to help.

Seattle Times, June 24: Lewis County sheriff calls residents who follow Gov. Inslee’s coronavirus mask requirement ‘sheep’.

This is a factoid about hospitals I’ve been meaning to share:

“What you’ve been hearing is a report that we are at 97 percent or so capacity across the Texas medical center. At Houston Methodist, we’re somewhere in the low 90s right now in terms of capacity of ICU beds, but let me put that in perspective … June 25 2019, exactly one year ago … It was at 95 percent. We are highly experienced at utilizing our ICU beds for the sickest of the sick patients day in day out … and it is completely normal for us to have ICU capacities that run in the 80s and 90s. That’s how all of us operate hospitals, and how all hospitals operate.”

“The capacity that’s being reported is base capacity … we have the ability to go far higher than that in terms of the ICU beds that we can utilize for COVID.”

“We have, across Houston Methodist, 24 hundred beds 330 or so of those are our ICU beds on a normal day, but there is an ability to flex beds back and forth. We can turn regular beds into ICU as we need to with appropriate staff, ventilators, and other equipment. We can turn many other areas in the hospital like some of the recovery areas, pre and post surgical areas, and places like that into ICUs.”

He’s right. So Utah being 2 weeks from full capacity in its ICUs is cause for concern–make no mistake about that–but it’s not as dire as it can sound. We still need to be careful! The virus is just as contagious and potentially devastating to individuals’ health as it was in March.

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Someday we will all find it fascinating to see how knowledge about this virus has unfolded gradually. We keep learning more and more. Right now, however, we’re less fascinated than worried, and trying to be careful. But knowledge makes it easier to cope.

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Preliminary research, but it appears a new variant “G” is taking over, with an evolved mechanism that penetrates cells more easily and hence becomes embedded in more types of tissue:

piling on with more good news

More interesting info about how difficult it is to understand this virus.

Goldman Sachs - wear a mask


Too little, too late…none of it matters anymore. The battle lines have been drawn. No amount of data, anecdotes, or information will get anyone to change their behavior at this point. Either you’re going to wear a mask, or you’re going to refuse. There is no longer any space for consideration, revision of behavior based on new information, or nuance in the discussion. It has become an entirely binary choice, drawn along political lines. That is the reality we as a country now have to figure out how to manage within, and mitigate the damage as best we can.

Good luck, everyone.


FWIW I am going to hope it isn’t too little too late.

If Corporate America doesn’t want to get their employees disabled or dead, they will make the decision on their own to require the masks.

No company wants to be “that company” coming out the backside of the pandemic. That company will get to die the death of people using someone else for their goods or services needs.

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I know this is the non-political thread, but this sure feels eerily similar to our current gun violence issue (or global warming, or racial issues, etc. etc. etc.). Maybe this is all an “US” problem after all.

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I detect a bit of a sea change on the blue/red responses to precautions. Pence cancelled 2 mass events, they’re masking up more on TV, Texas’ governor is pushing hard for precautions.

I think the ballooning numbers are having an effect on (some) leaders who were previously in strong denial.

(The horse is out of the barn, for sure, but at least there seems to be a growing sense of urgency that people need to actually locate the horse.)

I hope so. I’ll admit that part of that is simply my frustration talking, as it’s been a rough week in that regard.

We had immediate family who refused to attend an outdoor birthday party for our twins (turning 7), simply because we asked everyone to wear masks while they were here. We were told in an angry voice mail that “you have no right to tell my family what to do”. Mrs. SkinyUte works retail twice a week, and gets berated by angry customers every single time she works because her store requires customers to wear masks (one lady stood outside the store yelling at employees about how they were “depriving her of freedom” for 30 minutes). My neighbor across the street told me over the weekend that it’s “his constitutional right not to wear a mask” and likes to yell PUSSY at anyone he sees wearing one. Including one of our immuno-compromised neighbors who wears a mask during his “walks” in his motorized wheelchair.

It’s utterly absurd and frustrating, and I simply can’t wrap my head around the behavior.

/deep breath, rant off


Yikes - where do you live if you don’t mind me asking? I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised and grateful for the SL County mandate to wear masks. My experience since the mandate has been basically 100% of the people are now wearing masks, and no apparent resistance to it. This has been on the east bench SLC.

One thing I don’t get is berating employees over this stuff - it makes no sense and shows how feeble-minded some of these people really are.


Off the charts insanity…

I don’t expect the President to sway minds, but things like Europe banning Americans from travelling there are having an impact on business leaders, governors, etc.

It will take awhile for changes in understanding to filter down. Maybe in the fall, when everyone needs to go back indoors.


my dad’s birthday is today. They’ve opted to have a drive by birthday for him with cake to keep the 6’ distance. I’m not sure how that will work, but its a great idea. I can still chide him about his age from afar :slight_smile:


A drive by cake is going to get pretty messy.


Happy birthday dad!


We’re in South Jordan, but Mrs. SkinyUte works up in Salt Lake.

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