Real question: Is there a policy in U.S. law enforcement that requires every cop on scene to fire all the available bullets once the first shot has been fired?
by loyter 2019-04-09 11:39:36
That thing yesterday seemed pretty reckless on the part of the police. I get that the guy had fired upon them, but were that many rounds needed? Also, they were basically firing into a store with an unknown number of people in it.
I like the whole road warrior tag, but I also really like home wins.
by loyter 2019-03-07 22:59:51
A few quick thoughts. It was fun to see the Utes really committed to a man-to-man defense. Additionally, the absolute smothering of Boatwright was great. He still scored 17, but he was pretty much a non-factor - especially in the second half.
Parker is a great "Local Kid Makes Good" story. Also, Parker is 10x better in a post-game interview than Larry. Funny, engaging, conveys his knowledge of the game...
Timmy freaking Allen. I have to remind myself he's a freshman. His defense, his rebounding... He's great. He's charismatic, and the best part is that he has fun out there.
This isn't the best Ute team ever, but they are very fun to watch. I hope they can seal up third place and get that bye and avoid Washington.
Barefield made his first 4 threes, then missed the rest of his shots (9).
The Utes out rebounded UW 18-9 in the first half, then got out rebounded 30-17 in the second half.
The Utes were up 17-7, then got outscored 55-28 over the last 27 minutes of the game.
The Ry-dosh kid scored 5 points and actually looked quite good on defense. I'm still trying to work out why he was in the game. Just to spell a tired Tillman? Because Tillman's effort sucked? Tillman only played 23 minutes and wasn't in foul trouble.
There was some concern that Tillman would be this year's notable transfer among a game thread I was following. If he's going to put in efforts like last night, I'd say it's a minor concern.
Washington's defense is ridiculously good. There's good reason they are undefeated at home this year. I'm not sure they are as good as Jacobsen thinks they are, but they are really good. Too bad they aren't very good offensively. They'll make some noise in the tourney - sweet 16, I'd say.
Hopefully, the Utes can find a way to win against WSU and stay in the hunt for the top 4. If not, it'll be a short March and a long offseason.
The worst part about the current state of the basketball program, for me, is that I don't care. I didn't even make an effort to tune in to Saturday's game. I just looked up the score later in the evening.
Those who know me know I've been a basketball junkie forever. Through the lean years, through the great ones. But now, I've lost interest.
How did it come to this?
1. The product on the floor is mediocre (generously). Larry's teams just don't play good basketball. They don't play great defense, they don't rebound, they don't get punished for doing stupid things...
2. Larry never seems to be upset that the team lost. This has been an irritant from day 1. I know he wants to win, but in the post-game, he never seems to care. Show some fire, coach.
3. Players don't thrive at Utah. Kuzma, for example. Barefield for another - he scored 36 in his FIRST game as a Ute. Since, he's been a roller coaster ride. Larry seems to handcuff the kids to a system and if they don't fit into it, they have to leave or not play. I feel like he kills some kids' confidence. Kids come here, then transfer away and find success. Chapman, Mawien, Zamora, Wright, etc...
4. So many transfers.
5. Losses in big games, losses in close games. Larry's teams don't upset better teams. They go to form. Also, when a game comes down to the last few minutes, they come up short. I can't remember who did it, but someone around here looked at all the games decided by 5 points or fewer and found that, statistically, the Utes usually lose those games.
6. I watch other teams in the early season, and they seem to play well together, despite having newcomers. Larry's system seems to take a really long time to implement, with his team rounding into form after the PAC season has begun.
There are way too many weekend games the Utes play from here to the end of the season in the afternoon. Afternoon CBB is stupid. People have things to do. Skiing, kid's sports leagues, hell, even just a project around the house. Afternoon games are day killers. Basketball is entertainment that should happen in the evening. 6:30 at the earliest.
Let's look at the upcoming weekend games:
Saturday, December 8 - BYU (neutral) - Noon
Saturday, December 15 - @Kentucky - 3:00 PM
Saturday, December 29 - Nevada - Noon
Saturday, January 5 - @Arizona - Noon
Saturday, January 12 - WSU - 6:00 PM
Sunday, January 20 - Colorad9 - 4:00 PM
Saturday, January 26 - @Cal - 8:00 PM
Saturday, February 2 - OSU - 3:00 PM
Saturday, February 9 - @UCLA - 3:00 PM
Saturday, February 16 - ASU - 8:00 PM (Hallelujah!)
Saturday, February 23 - @WSU - 6:00 PM
Saturday, March 2 - @Colorado - 4:00 PM
Saturday, March 9 - UCLA - 5:00 PM
What ever happened to 7:35 PM tipoffs? Frankly, if this team doesn't show some incredible improvement in December, I doubt I'll attend the stupid early games, and I'll probably not tune in to watch the away games. I can understand one or two early games per year, but this is ridiculous.
Why is this happening? PAC 12 network wants every game on their network, so they have a Saturday quadruple-header, to the detriment of the fans. Another reason to want Larry Scott fired.
Larry K has said that he likes afternoon games. Maybe it's so nobody will be watching as he fails once again to live up to his fat paycheck.
For those driving to the game, there is a winter storm warning in the Sierras until Friday morning.
by loyter 2018-11-28 11:07:49
The drive to Santa Clara through Las Vegas is about 2.5 hours longer, but likely safer. If it's snowing on the pass, you'll spend those two hours in the car anyway. And it's not unusual for them to just close I-80 if it's severe.
WIN Oregon - 8-4 Bowl bound
WIN Colorado - 5-7
WIN BYU - 6-6 Maybe a bowl team (no tie-in)
So, the schedule had 7 bowl eligible teams (we'll leave Weber out of this conversation)
They went 4-3 against bowl eligible teams. Two of the losses were on the road, one at home. In the two Washington losses, the Utes were competitive, but made errors. In the ASU game, they just got blown out.
I don't have a point here...just looking at numbers.
Timmy Allen. We are going to like him. Like, a lot. He's listed as a forward, but I think he could play any position from 1 to 3. probably even 4 in a pinch.
Gach seems like a poor man's Bryant Markson. Doesn't look particularly smooth, but handles the ball, made a few nice passes, and can jump really high.
Topolovich looks servicable, but not good. Brandon Morley (who's name I don't remember hearing before last night) is a kid from SLCC who's 7 feet tall. He is more not good than Topolovich. Both can fill space and run the floor. The plus side is that this team seems to have scorers and hopefully we won't need many points from the 5 position.
Battin played not much, but looks like a decent backup 4 behind Tillman.
Chuck (apparently it's Chuck now) Jones Jr. looks the part, has a really nice stroke from outside, and seems like he'll be good. But he's behind Barefield, Van Dyke, and Hendrix at the guard position. He'll have to really battle for minutes. Allen may also take some guard minutes.
Gaskin looks slight and didn't play until garbage time. Red shirt, I'll bet.
I was really excited to see Vante Hnedrix, but he didn't have a great night. Looked like he was trying to force things, was out of rhythm... I think there are good things to come from Hendrix, but it was hard to get a read from last night's game.
Larry has said that he thinks he has the depth to run a lot and press a lot this year. I'll be interested to see if he sticks to that plan. I see the rotation tightening up to 8 guys or so and the team playing a lot like it has in the past.
Part of me thinks that this season may ebb and flow with the play of Jayce and Thioune.
I want to think the Utes will finish in the middle third and exceed expectations, but 8th place might be accurate. It'll depend on health and whether these new players can gel.
Get a three point lead and try to milk it for 26 minutes. The only Whittingham-er game that this was the Vegas bowl where the offense refused to try anything after the early 35 point lead, which proved to barely be enough.
The whole team, coaching staff included, lacks any sense of discipline.
Early second half, run a play, fail to get a play call in on time, waste a time-out, then come out of the time-out and commit a false start.
Waste another time-out early in the second half for the same reason.
3:30 to play, down 4, 65 yards to the end zone, run up the middle. I don't even mind that play call, maybe you catch WSU looking for the pass and get some yards. What bugs me is the fact the it took 35 seconds to get the next play off, all while the clock runs.
4 and 5, false start.
4th and 10, holding (you can complain about the call all you want, but it was technically holding)
Blocks in the back on the punt return.
Zero downfield blocking when a play finally does get into the secondary.
Huntley can't hit a receiver.
Kickoff returner is not Covey. Puts his knee down on the catch.
So many little mistakes. It all goes unpunished, and it just keeps resulting in losses. This team is exactly what it will be until Whittingham moves on. Summer hype, good D, competitiveness, and losses.
Minshew wasn't a great QB last year. 10 games, 2150 yards, 129 QB rating. He's nearly equaled that already at WSU, and his QB rating is 144. Why? Partly the system, and partly because Leach is a good coach. He makes players better. Whitt takes QBs and makes them worse.
Huntley isn't leading this team anywhere.
I'm not saying fire Whitt, but I am saying that if he stays, this will forever be the result. If the school and the fanbase are ok with 6-6 or 7-5 and the Billy's Pork Rind Bowl, then I guess we should keep him on the payroll.
SOS RANK 74
Conf W-L 11-10 (9-9 regular season)
Penn State has played 38 games! This will be 39. That's a ton of games for a college basketball team. The 1998 Final Four Utes only played 34. Penn State did play three in their conference tournament, and if the Utes had done that, they would have played 37 by now. ...anyway, lots of games.
Penn State is good and they have a NBA point guard who can shoot the three, has a good mid-range jumper, and gets 5 assists per game to 2.3 turnovers. The matchup between him and Bibbins may decide this one.
Utah is also good. Collette shoots an incredible percentage, Bibbins is the heart and soul, and Barefield can score lots of points is a short amount of time. Penn State doesn't shoot a great percentage from the floor. They averaged less than 40% in the Big 10 tournament. Utah needs to rebound.
Win the NIT or lose in the first round of the NCAA?
by loyter 2018-03-28 14:18:37
From an interview with Coach K earlier:
Q. Pat Chambers was asked this last night, a hypothetical: Would you rather be winning the NIT or going to the NCAA and losing in the first round?
HEAD COACH LARRY KRYSTKOWIAK: I'd rather be where we are. I've thought about that a lot. Some of it, it's easy to talk about in a hypothetical, because we sign up for this, No. 1, to compete and to play, and I've been on the other end of it where you lose the first round. And there's so much emotion built up into a season.
The goal is getting to the NCAA Tournament -- and you lose a first round game. You know, it's great, but that's really not the feeling you want to have, either. There's a lot of failure built into that. This is about experiences. This is about competing.
And for us, you know, to get the additional five or six -- I think it's five games, and have an opportunity to win and continue to bond; I love this team and this team loves playing with each other, so I get it where a basketball purist junk key would say, gee, we should fire our coach is he says that because this is the consolation prize; how dare he say that.
Until you're in our shoes, coming to New York City and being in the Final Four in the NIT in a city with so much history and tradition -- look, I got an e-mail from Arnie Ferrin who played on Utah's team in 1947 when they won the NIT Championship, and there's still three living members on that team and we were all on a big thread.
When he says to me, "Coach, one more, man, bring home the trophy" and the pride in all of that, to me, that is much more significant than getting to the NCAA Tournament and losing your first game.
You know, if people want to run me out of town for that answer, I guess I'm going to live with it but they are not in our shoes and this has just been a great experience for us, and I don't think we'd trade it for anything in the world to be honest with you.
UMBC, Nevada, Loyola Chicago prove why college basketball is so clearly superior to college football.
by loyter 2018-03-26 11:55:58
Every team in the country, at the beginning of the season, has a chance to win it all. EVERY TEAM.
In football, there are really only about 30 teams that can even hope to be included. Schools outside of the P5 have zero chance. (Utah, 2004, 2008)
Football is a big sham. A popularity contest. ESPN spends the entire year telling us how great the SEC is and how they deserve to rise in the rankings week after week because they lose to each other and the conference is so tough. It's all P.R. and sales.
Basketball is results on the floor. There is a little bit of question about those few bubble teams that got left out, but it's minor, and those teams could have performed better during the year or won their conference tournament to get in.
Loyola Chicago is two games away from being the national champions. In a football-type system, they'd have played in the Hot Dog on a Stick bowl and would have been forgotten long ago.
Thanks to Chris Hill. So many successes over the years.
by loyter 2018-03-26 11:41:37
Women's basketball Final Four
2 #1 draft picks
A bunch of All-Americans
Ridiculous bowl record
And many, many more.
But the crowning achievement, without question in my mind, is the invite to the PAC 12. That was a goal for Dr. Hill from very early in his career and a HUGE stretch goal at that. Hill didn't do it on his own, but he was a major part of it. Sometimes you have to step back and just realize how fantastic it is to be in the PAC 12. Instead of Laramie, we're going to Pasadena, and so on.
I really don't like them. First of all, the quarter breaks are 4-5 minutes long and that's absolutely stupid. In the end, the number of media time-outs are the same, but the amount of stoppage time is longer.
Also, in each quarter, a team shoots 2 free throws after 5 fouls. This takes away the intrigue of the 1 and 1 from fouls number 7-9. The 1 and 1 gives teams a better chance of coming back from a deficit and also rewards a team for not doing a lot of fouling during the half. The quarter system removes all that.
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