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Right... and government is an extension of our nature (plus nurture), and tends to morph following relative changes in the prevalance of competing nurtures (which can be observed in competing ideas expressed as memes, morals, proposed legislation,

Posted By: Zeous
Date: Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 03:05 am

debate subjects, criteria for declaration of war, etc).

One of the main justifications for government among a people is the role of shepherd, not just guarding against wolves from outside the flock, but also against wolves inside the flock, wearing sheep's clothing.

One of the main needs for a constitution, law and a solid social contract is also the role of shepherd, which has a primary function of guarding against that which is worse than wolves in sheep's clothing... wolves in shepherds' clothing.

Free speech, freedom of assembly, right and ability to bear arms (i.e. self-defense, but coupled with no unjust aggression or harm and responsibility), due process, trial by jury and speedy trial (dispute resolution) are all ideas identified by previous generations as mechanisms to help the people guard against wolves in shepherd's clothing. These ideas can be nurtured or not. And ideas in direct competition and contradiction to them can be nurtured or not. As can ideas that would mildly tweak.

So yeah, government is an extension of our nature but it is also very much an extension of our nurture. Which is why there is some risk in government education, because the organization can nurture highly effectively to its own ends, if wolves in shepherd's clothing capture enough influence in the education department.

Seems to me that government ideally is largely automated according to the amassed wisdom of history (which is kind of the basis of a code of law), such that the people it serves can be sustainable and prosperous and enjoy maximum quality of life while minimizing unnecessary suffering. The devil is in the details of defining all that.

One of the ideas that I think deserves more nurture is the separation (or minimization) of money and government. That one has been discussed here a number of times. Bitcoin's potential is interesting in that regard.

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Rocker Ute icon NEW: Let's all take off our partisan goggles for a minute and discuss a TRUTH as noted by Mueller. Russia attempted to interfere with our election "and that should concern every American."
Rocker Ute - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 10:06 am [ID# 1947448] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: I went social media free months ago and I’ll never go back. (nm)
SforkUte - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 10:33 am [ID# 1947449] [reply]
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UTEopia icon NEW: Unfortunately, our political system has created a lazy electorate. They continue to marginalize voters who do not care to join a party. Those in a party are willing to plug their nose and vote for the party candidate even if that candidate is an
UTEopia - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 11:28 am [ID# 1947452] [reply]
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3UteDad icon NEW: The genie of social media is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back in. There is much good and bad that comes out of the information through these new modes of communication.
3UteDad - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 11:36 am [ID# 1947453] [reply]
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BulgieUte icon NEW: You know that civics class would be administrated in a biased way, gerrymandered to favor one position, varying from state to state.
BulgieUte - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 01:52 pm [ID# 1947459] [reply]
MinnesotaUte icon NEW: This is precisely why our founding fathers tried to lock down government and preserve our individual rights.
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 04:45 pm [ID# 1947470] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: Right... and government is an extension of our nature (plus nurture), and tends to morph following relative changes in the prevalance of competing nurtures (which can be observed in competing ideas expressed as memes, morals, proposed legislation,
Zeous - -- Thursday 30 May 2019, at 03:05 am [ID# 1947497] [reply]
Zeous icon NEW: How about CIA directors opining publicly about candidates? They're supposed to be strictly off-limits domestically, so would that also be of grave concern?
Zeous - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 12:42 pm [ID# 1947457] [reply]
REDrumU icon NEW: Eternal September
REDrumU - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 01:27 pm [ID# 1947458] [reply]
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pangloss icon NEW: a recap
pangloss - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 02:32 pm [ID# 1947464] [reply]
MinnesotaUte icon NEW: I haven't gone free, but I sort of feel that way because I ignore it for the most part
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 29 May 2019, at 04:38 pm [ID# 1947468] [reply]
Red Don icon NEW: "Maybe it was Russia; maybe it was a 400 lb. man in his basement."
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