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I actually think Sanders is the only candidate that stands a chance. I don't think he wins, but I truly believe he would hold up better than the other Democrat candidates. Here's why:

Posted By: 480ute
Date: Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 08:24 am

He would bring out a lot of voters who otherwise won't vote (ala Trump 2016, and Obama 2008). Your run-of-the-mill liberals are going to vote for any Dem over Trump anyway, and with the swing voters, it really boils down to who wins them over on the "socialism" issue. Bernie probably loses there, but if enough of those voters that stayed home when Hillary ran show up to the polls this time around he'd have a shot. The other candidates are too entrenched, and would be easily painted as establishment politicians, which translates to more of the same DC bull$#!+.

Another problem with the other candidates is that they will get sucked into playing Trump's game. I think Sanders has been smart to address certain things Trump has said or done without attacking him personally. Warren has already shown how easily she can be manipulated, and I don't think Harris or Booker would be any different.

Everybody thinks big, bad Biden will give Trump a dose of his own medicine, but he'll end up looking like a fool imho. Trump is a master manipulator, and world class bully. Biden might, might, be physically tougher, but so what? He's not going to intimidate Trump, and he can't match wits with him when it comes to humorous putdowns and sticky namecalling. Trump's tactics are super unbecoming of a President, but they are effective as hell when it comes to swaying the American public.

At the end of the day I think the Dems will blow it big time. They'll figure out a way to put Biden or Harris on the big stage, then proceed to shoot themselves in both feet by pushing issues nobody supports and/or failing to appeal to the masses who yearn for a populist leader. I've already mentally prepared myself for four more years of chaos.

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96GradAlum icon NEW: Joe Biden running for POTUS = same old same old neo-liberal BS we dealt with under Obama, Bernie or bust!!! And that reminds me of UTE BC's post on Bernie ...
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 07:43 am [ID# 1945744] [reply]
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Rocker Ute icon NEW: And people wonder how Trump got elected. (nm)
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 07:59 am [ID# 1945745] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Not sure I understand this post. Is it because he supports Bernie and you think Bernie has no chance? (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:11 am [ID# 1945748] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: RE: Not sure I understand this post. Is it because he supports Bernie and you think Bernie has no chance?
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:35 am [ID# 1945750] [reply]
o NEW: The pertinent question is can Bernie win the key swing states. I think so.
Ute Bear - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:53 am [ID# 1945755] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: That's good news at this point. I hope those same percentages are applicable to all the Dem candidates (that have a chance to win the nomination) (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 09:50 am [ID# 1945758] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: RE: "And people wonder how Trump got elected." Here's how we got Trump ....
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:45 am [ID# 1945753] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: I just think that Bernie is unelectable
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 02:56 pm [ID# 1945779] [reply]
UTE BC icon NEW: Can you be more specific? I’ve posted many times about Bernie. I hope you ride that Bernie train.
UTE BC - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:05 am [ID# 1945746] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: I actually think Sanders is the only candidate that stands a chance. I don't think he wins, but I truly believe he would hold up better than the other Democrat candidates. Here's why:
480ute - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:24 am [ID# 1945749] [reply]
UTE BC icon NEW: I pretty much agree with everything you said. One thing about Bernie - he's not more liked than Hillary
UTE BC - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:25 am [ID# 1945761] [reply]
tarheelio icon NEW: The 2016 election was won in the rust belt. Biden would take some of those blue-collar, unionized workers who spent most of their lives voting Democrat. Biden has the best shot of beating Trump.
tarheelio - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:40 am [ID# 1945764] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: "I personally refuse to vote for Trump or Biden." That is part of the reason Trump got elected. Those who refused to vote for Hillary, so they wrote in someone. Any vote that wasn't for Hillary was a vote for Trump.
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:51 am [ID# 1945766] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Not sure I agree. There were plenty of "Never Trumpers" like John Kasich and his fans that wouldn't vote for Trump. Hell they were even saying Utah was in play. (nm)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:59 am [ID# 1945768] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Except that Trump won both Ohio and Utah. It's the votes in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin that turned it. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 11:22 am [ID# 1945769] [reply]
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tarheelio icon NEW: At least in my case, you could not be more wrong. I live in Washington, Hillary won our state with a majority. (nm)
tarheelio - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 03:06 pm [ID# 1945780] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Understand. I should have been more specific. I meant the swing states.
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 06:49 pm [ID# 1945792] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: I know tons of people who wrote in someone instead of voting for Trump. In fact, I believe LA Ute did. (nm)
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 05:24 pm [ID# 1945788] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: See my reply to Tarheelio above. Also, kudos to LA.
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 06:52 pm [ID# 1945793] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: Here's how they'll screw Bernie: w/ the DNC reforms, the superdelegates don't vote only in the first round. There's so many candidates that it's likely there will be a second round, that's when the superchumps will choose Biden over Bernie...
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:53 am [ID# 1945767] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: Sure: your post a few days ago regarding Bernie supporting voting rights for Felons. You said something like ...
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:41 am [ID# 1945751] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Oh I agree. That's one of the smaller self imploding issues of Bernie (nm)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:26 am [ID# 1945762] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Right now I could go for Biden or Mayor Pete. Right now. We'll see as things progress. But I will vote for whoever pops out of the end of the Democratic Primary maze. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:10 am [ID# 1945747] [reply]
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96GradAlum icon NEW: IMHO any non-Republican would be better than Trump. But there are only a few ...
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 08:50 am [ID# 1945754] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: "IMHO any non-Republican would be better than Trump." Let me fix that: Anyone would be better than Trump. I would vote for Sfork over Trump. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 09:55 am [ID# 1945759] [reply]
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96GradAlum icon NEW: I was going to say that too, and then I thought about Mike Pence and Mitch McConnell. Those two would scare the livin day-lights out of me as POTUS (nm)
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:15 am [ID# 1945760] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Even me?!?!?! (short)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:26 am [ID# 1945763] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: You can pat yourself on the back for being fourth from the bottom. Trump is last, Pence is next to last, and McConnell is just ahead of Pence. Congrats. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 10:47 am [ID# 1945765] [reply]
o NEW: RE: Right now I could go for Biden or Mayor Pete. Right now. We'll see as things progress. But I will vote for whoever pops out of the end of the Democratic Primary maze.
Charlie - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 11:23 am [ID# 1945770] [reply]
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pangloss icon NEW: Biden's chances of beating trump are better than Sanders. Also, Biden is more likely than Sanders to actually gets things done with Congress.
pangloss - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 12:50 pm [ID# 1945773] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: I thought I read a while back that Gabbard treated her staff like $#!+. But I can't find anything to back that up. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 01:23 pm [ID# 1945775] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: You're thinking of Amy Klobuchar ...
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 01:54 pm [ID# 1945776] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Got it. Thanks for the correction. No wonder I couldn't find anything. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 02:51 pm [ID# 1945778] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: I'd love hear what your beef is with her. Everything I've heard from her has been good. She's been hammered for her religious roots and her (former) stance on homosexuality but has changed her position and provides a reasonable explanation. (nm)
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 01:59 pm [ID# 1945777] [reply]
pangloss icon NEW: I'm embarrassed to admit I still can't remember. I'll try to read up & resurrect my reason or put her back on the OK list. (nm)
pangloss - -- Thursday 25 April 2019, at 04:55 pm [ID# 1945783] [reply]
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