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The post you responded to was specifically referencing dreamers. You even said so in a following post replying to Turk. Go ahead and chalk it up to a misunderstanding though, if that's how you honestly feel.

Posted By: 480ute
Date: Friday, April 12, 2019 at 08:45 am

Still, nobody has made a rational argument for a wall, so it's strange that you think it's irrational to believe it won't work. The only argument I've seen here is "do you have walls around your home", to which I've always replied yes, for privacy. They're useless at keeping people out. Just ask the teenagers who steal $#!+ from my backyard, or the eight year old next door who scales my wall to retrieve errantly thrown balls.

Hell, if they want in my house bad enough they will find a way. My home was broken into a few weeks ago while I was away. The locked door and security system didn't deter them. Where there's a will, there's a way.

That said, thinking the wall is a stupid idea hardly means we want open borders. I am all for increased security measures that include the use of much more effective technological advances. People need to come here legally, that we can both agree on. Let's be smart about how we approach this issue, and seriously talk about easing some of the financial and time barriers to legal entry rather than constructing a supercostly monstrosity that won't do a damn bit of good at keeping drugs or people out.

What it will do is make drugs and human trafficking more expensive, and more lucrative, which will cause crime and related violence to rise. So long as we remain consumers of illicit narcotics here, people over there will supply enough to meet demand, and so long as America has jobs for migrants, people will risk their lives to improve their situation. We need to shift our focus onto trying to prevent addiction, and maybe even restructure our drug laws (in addition to our immigration laws).

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UTE BC icon NEW: I really don't understand the Democrats strategy. In my opinion Trump would give them the farm if they would sit down and negotiate with him.
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 01:47 pm [ID# 1944813] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: I agree. I just wish both sides would put their biases aside and try to get something done instead of being a bunch of butt hurt bitches. (nm)
SforkUte - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 01:49 pm [ID# 1944814] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: but what would uf.n have to talk about then... leotard designs? (nm)
Zeous - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 09:01 pm [ID# 1944866] [reply]
Red Don icon NEW: Can't trust him. We've seen too many times that he agrees to something, speaks to Sean Hannity that night and reverses his position the next morning.
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 01:55 pm [ID# 1944815] [reply]
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o NEW: Dems? Don't blame the dems, they offered 25B in funding in exchange for DACA protection. Trump went hardline instead..
Ute Bear - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:04 pm [ID# 1944819] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Regarding your question. No I am not amoral. I am the son of an immigrant who came here from Nicaragua. My mom did so in a legal manner, albeit much easier back then.
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:26 pm [ID# 1944823] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: I don't know anyone who is for open borders. Who are you referring to? And being against the wall doesn't equate to wanting open borders.
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:46 pm [ID# 1944828] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: The question posed was how could you send a young person back even if they came here illegally. So, as long as they come over the border you must keep them. That is a open border. You don't think walls will help - I can't believe a rationale
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:53 pm [ID# 1944831] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: "So, as long as they come over the border you must keep them." No one said that, except you. He was talking about a path to citizenship. But carry on..... (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:59 pm [ID# 1944835] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: How is a path to citizenship where they stay in the country not keeping them? (nm)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 03:06 pm [ID# 1944839] [reply]
o NEW: Why wouldn't we want to "keep them"?
Ute Bear - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 03:13 pm [ID# 1944842] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: We may very well want to keep them. However, if you don't stop them from coming in illegally you have open borders and you can't sustain that.
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 04:17 pm [ID# 1944846] [reply]
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o NEW: I note in your rant that you did not say "Its not immoral to deport young adults who were brought to this country as children, to a country that they know nothing about, even if they have graduated from high school, stayed out of trouble, ....
Ute Bear - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:49 pm [ID# 1944830] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: I noticed in your lame ass question you didn't mention them either. (nm)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:53 pm [ID# 1944832] [reply]
o NEW: But I did, expressly. I consider dreamers to be Americans. I consider Americans who want to deport dreamers to be A-holes.
Ute Bear - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 03:06 pm [ID# 1944838] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Well, I guess I find it unfair for those waiting to come here legally to be put off by those who came here illegally. That doesn't seem very moral.
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 03:09 pm [ID# 1944840] [reply]
o NEW: I guess I just don't share Trump's belief that the country is full. (nm)
Ute Bear - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 03:15 pm [ID# 1944843] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Take a look at our deficit. Take a look at our homeless. Take a look at the drug crisis. We have major problems that our own citizens are going through. (nm)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 04:07 pm [ID# 1944845] [reply]
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o NEW: you don't give a rats A$$ about the deficit blown to record proportions by the CONservative values you constantly tout as being the end all be all answer to everything
FlyfishingUte - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 06:22 pm [ID# 1944855] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: I mean I have criticized Trump on here MULTIPLE TIMES about his spending. So I guess you are a dip$#!+. (nm)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 07:30 pm [ID# 1944860] [reply]
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o NEW: Pro tip YOU voted for him bsed on his policies etc as you've said here many times dipsh!t. You and your ilk have zero room
FlyfishingUte - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 08:18 pm [ID# 1944863] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Disappointed in you. As my number 1 follower I thought you would know that it’s impossible to agree with a candidate 100%
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 08:42 pm [ID# 1944865] [reply]
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o NEW: again dipsh!t that raise was in the works LONG before your hero was elected but presenting you facts is akin to pissing in the wind
FlyfishingUte - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 10:14 pm [ID# 1944867] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: The sum of the effects of the tax cuts are yet to be seen. For instance they produced your lump sum of cash.
UTE BC - -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 10:35 pm [ID# 1944868] [reply]
o NEW: ". For instance they produced your lump sum of cash" < this is an absolutely false statement
FlyfishingUte - -- Friday 12 April 2019, at 05:24 am [ID# 1944869] [reply]
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renegadefly icon NEW: You are so easily trolled. Learn to laugh, especially at yourself (nm)
renegadefly - -- Friday 12 April 2019, at 08:57 am [ID# 1944878] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: I'm not arguing with that, but BC needs to get some new material. After a while a 5 year old telling the same "knock-knock" joke over and over again gets old. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 12 April 2019, at 09:00 am [ID# 1944880] [reply]
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o NEW: I laugh at myself all the time. I call him out on things specific to me which he knows is outright lie
FlyfishingUte - -- Friday 12 April 2019, at 11:35 am [ID# 1944904] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: Let me get this straight. You think that people brought here before they were even old enough to understand where they're from or where they were going, but are now adults, should be deported?
480ute - -- Friday 12 April 2019, at 08:29 am [ID# 1944871] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Where did I say any of that? I’m saying we can’t have a system where those who come here illegally are rewarded with citizenship.
UTE BC - -- Friday 12 April 2019, at 08:40 am [ID# 1944874] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: The post you responded to was specifically referencing dreamers. You even said so in a following post replying to Turk. Go ahead and chalk it up to a misunderstanding though, if that's how you honestly feel.
480ute - -- Friday 12 April 2019, at 08:45 am [ID# 1944875] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: You forget that for Trump, winning means someone else lost. He wouldn't stand for the Dems claiming a win. And like Red Don said, you can't take his word for anything. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 02:06 pm [ID# 1944820] [reply]
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Red Don icon NEW: That's a very important point that I forgot to mention. For Trump to win, someone has to lose.
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 11 April 2019, at 04:39 pm [ID# 1944848] [reply]
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