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Posted By: pangloss
Date: Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 11:32 am

I'm a fan of the rule of law.

Bribing people to cheat, whether it's fixing an SAT test for rich little Timmy dim wit, or giving him a sham athletic scholarship, it is clearly illegal.

When an institution accepts federal money, it agrees to abide by a set of laws and regulations. A system based on bribes violates the representations and certifications institutions submit to the feds before they get the funds. The Congress added those strings for getting federal funds because it is right.

You're correct that if the scale is large enough it becomes legal - give a couple million and Timmy gets in, no matter how inbred and dull. That doesn't make it right.

Our country was founded on a set of ideals. It's kind of a big deal. One of those ideals is equality before the law. The Constitution starts with 'We the people' not 'We the privileged few'. The founders are insulted by bribe based systems.

I think your suggestion that federal bureaucrats and the press are motivated by notoriety and class envy is also mistaken. These crimes offend the American ideals of equality and fair play. When the uber-rich violate the law, I want prosecutors to bust their privileged asses and I want the press to shine a bright light on them.

The thought of Bernie Maddow in prison makes me happy. And the humiliation of the rich folks who subverted higher education admission processes also makes me happy - not the noblest of motives, but I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, they should be marched naked down Pennsylvania Ave with we the people shouting "Shame, shame" at them all the way to an unheated bus to prison.

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MinnesotaUte icon NEW: I'm amazed by how triggered some of you are because people are willing to pay to get their kids into universities. (long)
MinnesotaUte - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 09:52 am [ID# 1942166] [reply]
o NEW: I'm mad that people still believe we live in a meritocracy. (nm)
P-Worm - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 10:11 am [ID# 1942170] [reply]
o NEW: RE: I'm mad that people still believe we live in a meritocracy.
pbUTE - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 10:51 am [ID# 1942178] [reply]
UTE BC icon NEW: Exactly!!! Well said. (nm)
UTE BC - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 10:12 am [ID# 1942171] [reply]
UtahFanSir icon NEW: The real conclusion for me is that we are NOT against anyone being rich, we are against the unethical crap the wealthy sometimes do with their money.
UtahFanSir - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 10:38 am [ID# 1942174] [reply]
GUBA icon NEW: Yup! Plus blowhards gonna blow hard. (nm)
GUBA - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 10:42 am [ID# 1942176] [reply]
MinnesotaUte icon NEW: It is frank, maybe fair, and fairly polite. I guess one of the differences between you and me is that I tend to look at why something happens, rather than jumping to a value judgement against the perpetrator.
MinnesotaUte - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 02:20 pm [ID# 1942208] [reply]
o NEW: ^^^ So intellectually and morally bankrupt he is outraged that people would expect bribery not to take place in highly competitive aspects of life in America.
Duhwayne - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 10:48 am [ID# 1942177] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: Since we are making non-sequitur blanket statements I'll also add that you can distract the Democratic Party with a laser pointer. (nm)
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 11:07 am [ID# 1942180] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Squirrel! (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 11:11 am [ID# 1942183] [reply]
UTE BC icon NEW: What needs to be realized in my opinion is: THE IVY's AREN'T ALL THAT
UTE BC - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 12:34 pm [ID# 1942192] [reply]
o NEW: Agreed with this, to a point. The value is in recruting pipelines effectively closed to many others. Doesn't mean there isn't talent in Utah schools. First year my law school admitted kids from Utah schools, half made law review.
Duhwayne - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 02:51 pm [ID# 1942214] [reply]
MinnesotaUte icon NEW: I think it's kind of funny that Legacy kids are viewed different than donor kids, for starters, or are we mad about them too? (nm)
MinnesotaUte - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 02:22 pm [ID# 1942209] [reply]
Maji Man icon NEW: It sucks that the deck is now firmly stacked against the white middle class kid.
Maji Man - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 11:11 am [ID# 1942182] [reply]
pangloss icon NEW: I'll bite
pangloss - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 11:32 am [ID# 1942184] [reply]
o NEW: RE: I'll bite
Charlie - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 12:30 pm [ID# 1942190] [reply]
pangloss icon NEW: I was a faculty kid. The only benefit I got was an A parking pass. I realize that was huge and probably worth more than tuition back then -- which was $160 / quarter, full time 10 hrs or more. (nm)
pangloss - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 01:17 pm [ID# 1942195] [reply]
MinnesotaUte icon NEW: I can work with that...
MinnesotaUte - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 02:34 pm [ID# 1942211] [reply]
MinnesotaUte icon NEW: I would also add that I think I am probably a bigger fan of rule of law than even you are, and because of that, my perspective is different in this way:
MinnesotaUte - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 02:58 pm [ID# 1942217] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: We won't be expecting you to teach an ethics class any time soon. (nm)
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 12:03 pm [ID# 1942187] [reply]
MinnesotaUte icon NEW: Ouch, that was mean. (nm)
MinnesotaUte - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 02:34 pm [ID# 1942212] [reply]
o NEW: FFSake nobody here is against people being rich. They are against said rich people using their money to #%!@ over others. Aside from that it said rich person kid is too stupid to pass the admissions test on his her own should they even be in
FlyfishingUte - -- Thursday 14 March 2019, at 12:54 pm [ID# 1942194] [reply]
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