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RE: Its not an either/or. Trump's shutdown threat is a bluff. Pelosi has already called that bluff. Today: "There will not be any wall money in the legislation."

Posted By: Charlie
Date: Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 11:09 am

I agree, Trump cares too much about himself and the wall. Equally, Pelosi cares more about herself and hating Trump then she cares about the wall. Actually, Trump has been bad for the movement to stop illegal immigration. Before Trump we was much more in agreement over that issue which helps validate this hissy fit theory.

But the wall is just the symptom. The underling question relates to amnesty for economic refugees. Border control may not be limited to preventing documented dangerous people. It may include access for specific needs such as agriculture or construction workers while limited access for people not meeting a need. Democrats could help by becoming clear that they understand that are limits to refugee immigration and limits to care for people before there is a determination that they should enter. Without an agreed plan for legal immigration, we will see endless emotional issues like the wall eat away at us. In the end, we have to have policy that benefits and is agreed by the majority of Americans. Without it, stopping the wall is incredibly shortsighted and we will move onto the next fight.

If I was an enemy of America, I would hope that either Trump or Pelosi win this in dramatic fashion and pray that they don’t sit down and come to an agreed compromise. I wish more people viewed compromise as the goal.

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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: So, I'll ask again, if Trump declares a national emergency, will that make it so we can avoid a shutdown?
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 31 January 2019, at 08:27 am [ID# 1938200] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: Nowhere in the Dems proposal are there nitro burning supercars or anti drug drones.......OUTRAGEOUS! (nm)
SforkUte - -- Thursday 31 January 2019, at 08:36 am [ID# 1938206] [reply]
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Red Don icon NEW: But there is $$ budgeted for plenty of adhesive remover for all of the women with duct tape over their mouths. (nm)
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 31 January 2019, at 11:49 am [ID# 1938253] [reply]
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o NEW: Its not an either/or. Trump's shutdown threat is a bluff. Pelosi has already called that bluff. Today: "There will not be any wall money in the legislation."
Ute Bear - -- Thursday 31 January 2019, at 09:40 am [ID# 1938230] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: "Trump doesn't care about border security. He only cares about Donald Trump."
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 31 January 2019, at 09:51 am [ID# 1938233] [reply]
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o NEW: RE: Its not an either/or. Trump's shutdown threat is a bluff. Pelosi has already called that bluff. Today: "There will not be any wall money in the legislation."
Charlie - -- Thursday 31 January 2019, at 11:09 am [ID# 1938249] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: But they were originally willing to compromise, and Trump shut that down. Now, his compromise is a permanent (usless) wall that will cost us billions, in exchange for a band-aid solution for DACA members.
480ute - -- Friday 1 February 2019, at 11:13 am [ID# 1938371] [reply]
o NEW: It's strange that no Trump fan among our UF.net regulars has taken up his new mantra, so I will stand in.
UtahFan from Germany - -- Thursday 31 January 2019, at 09:45 am [ID# 1938231] [reply]
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