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What you say is filled with lies.

Posted By: UtahFanSir
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 10:00 am

The Democrats want effective border security. They approved fencing a decade ago with less than completely effective results. The Democrats have approved funding (even for further barrier support) in a bill that Republicans and later Trump agreed to and then after the likes of Sean Hannity got involved Trump reneged.

Trump is not operating in good faith. If I were a Democrat negotiating with Trump, I would not trust him or believe anything he says. I was a negotiator for international business deals for a decade in power generation. Trump is not a good negotiator and he has proven that in spades.

When Trump is willing to discuss options, not walk out of meetings as a stunt because the Democrats did not give him carte blanche, then progress is possible.

Trump's affection for the wall is a meme, a slogan. How he came to say he would build a wall that Mexico would pay for was the work on his political strategists. Trump now knows his core base, folks such as yourself, love the idea. And that is why he keeps on with it. Now he is dug in because he can't lose face. For him the negotiation is "I win, you lose."

Border guards have been telling experts for years what they want. It is not a wall that stretches 2000 miles. Some sections do need to be bolstered. If you were willing to do some work, you will see that and you would see what they think are priorities.

The Democrats don't want a monument to a stupid idea, they want what is effective to curb illegal immigration. They don't want to waste our tax money on a chant.

On this site has been posted already the fact that most Americans are not in favor of a border wall. That is a verifiable fact. Research shows that E-verify for business, a form of which is on the books now as a law passed in 1986, is one of the top ways to curb illegal immigration. This business tool to prevent hiring illegals goes unenforced. It has been proven that Hispanics commit crimes at a lower rate than the general US population. It has been proven that many illegals are overstaying visas; they did not cross the border in the night. It has been proven that airports are a weak link. The list goes on...

Yet you persist with the same stupid lies.

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o NEW: 700 miles of fencing good then, bad now? If 700 miles was good then, why not 1,400 now or 1,900 now? Also, $5B is less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the US budget. Mexico is not paying for it, I get it, also, ladders will be hoisted across the desert..
Hammer2 - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 10:02 pm [ID# 1936301] [reply]
SforkUte icon NEW: What’s your point? (nm)
SforkUte - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 10:22 pm [ID# 1936302] [reply]
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o NEW: The fence / border security was authored and introduced by Schumer (nm)
Hammer2 - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 10:59 pm [ID# 1936305] [reply]
SforkUte icon NEW: It was dumb then.....even dumber now. (nm)
SforkUte - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:08 pm [ID# 1936306] [reply]
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o NEW: I’m sure that’s what your tv has been telling you. Good sheep. (nm)
Hammer2 - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:58 pm [ID# 1936314] [reply]
SforkUte icon NEW: Don’t stop believing good little Trumpite. (nm)
SforkUte - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 06:20 am [ID# 1936316] [reply]
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o NEW: But. Muh. Trump.
Hammer2 - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 07:56 am [ID# 1936322] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Let's see.....TV vs Trump....I'll go with the TV. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 07:24 am [ID# 1936317] [reply]
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HoopUte icon NEW: Let’s see, quotes Breitbart article, . . .
HoopUte - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 11:04 am [ID# 1936342] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: Did Schumer change his name from Peter King, because that's who introduced the act. (nm)
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:12 am [ID# 1936326] [reply]
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o NEW: Who authored the Economic Modernization and Immigration act that included funding the 700 mile fence in 2013? (nm)
Hammer2 - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:17 am [ID# 1936328] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: Schumer. I think you have your bills mixed up though, because no wall was included in that proposal.
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:19 am [ID# 1936329] [reply]
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o NEW: Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013..by Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Hammer2 - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 01:38 pm [ID# 1936355] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: Not saying you're wrong, but link? I couldn't find anywhere earlier that stated this.
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 03:45 pm [ID# 1936364] [reply]
UtahFanSir icon NEW: New Flash...
UtahFanSir - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 10:32 pm [ID# 1936303] [reply]
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o NEW: He’s fighting for what Americans want (secure borders) and what dems have already voted to support. (nm)
Hammer2 - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 10:57 pm [ID# 1936304] [reply]
o NEW: Hes fighting for a wall that 60% of people oppose. We all want border security but that does not mean we want a monument to CLIO's stupidity and lack of insight into the actual problem (nm)
FlyfishingUte - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:17 pm [ID# 1936308] [reply]
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o NEW: You’re argument is, because Trump, instead of actually trying to tackle the issue. But the dems have not brought forward a better security plan. The dems are like the wife vetoing every idea for dinner but not offering any kind of solution. (nm)
Hammer2 - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:42 pm [ID# 1936310] [reply]
o NEW: lol CLIO is NOT trying to tackle the issue. IF he were he would have negotiated and signed the previous bill that gave him what he wanted
FlyfishingUte - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:48 pm [ID# 1936311] [reply]
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o NEW: The acronym isn’t as cute as you think. Schumer thought the wall was good. And so did all the Dems including you 10 years ago. But muh CLIO. Cute. Not really. (nm)
Hammer2 - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:54 pm [ID# 1936313] [reply]
o NEW: Chronic Liar In Office =CLIO. It's shockingly accurate about Putins boy
FlyfishingUte - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 07:28 am [ID# 1936318] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: No, he didn't. You really ought to research what you're reporting on.
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:10 am [ID# 1936324] [reply]
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UtahFanSir icon NEW: What you say is filled with lies.
UtahFanSir - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 10:00 am [ID# 1936338] [reply]
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Rocker Ute icon NEW: So you own a store and you are experiencing a lot of theft, and you suspect it is because people are coming in the back and walking out with stuff... what do you do?
Rocker Ute - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:08 pm [ID# 1936307] [reply]
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o NEW: The store already has 4 walls. The $5 B is nothing. Prove to me as a percent of total budget that it is big deal.
Hammer2 - -- Friday 11 January 2019, at 11:50 pm [ID# 1936312] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: Right from the beginning they offered alternative plans and funding you suggested. Learn about what is actually going on before you spout off:
Rocker Ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 02:27 am [ID# 1936315] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Good post. But it appears you are wasting your time, especially at 2:30 in the morning. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 07:35 am [ID# 1936319] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: Rocker is always watching...... (nm)
SforkUte - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 07:50 am [ID# 1936321] [reply]
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Rocker Ute icon NEW: Look at them, Smithers...
Rocker Ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 09:53 am [ID# 1936337] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: Life of an insomniac. One other point that Hammer isn't addressing is that the $5B is not the total cost of the wall by a long shot.
Rocker Ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:10 am [ID# 1936325] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: I agree. I think only the most ardent Trump supporters are blaming this on anyone but Trump.
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:20 am [ID# 1936330] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: Dude, the two bills you're whining about included these things. (nm)
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 11:50 am [ID# 1936348] [reply]
Vegas Ute icon NEW: Very cogent post, but you are missing the #1 reason Trump is going to mat over "his wall."
Vegas Ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 11:21 am [ID# 1936346] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: No, it's not. This was discussed ad nauseam last week.
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:02 am [ID# 1936323] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: Edit: misread last sentence. Yes, Schumer sponsored that 2013 bill (King sponsored 2006 bill), but there was nothing about a wall in it. (nm)
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:16 am [ID# 1936327] [reply]
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o NEW: Yes or no? Did Chuck Schumer author the Economic Modernization and Immigration act that including funding 700 miles of fence in 2013? (nm)
Hammer2 - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:21 am [ID# 1936331] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: He proposed that bill in 2013, but the Breitbart piece specifically talks about the Secure Fence act of 2006 with regard to a wall. (nm)
480ute - -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:22 am [ID# 1936332] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Yes, along with others (see below). But that bill didn't authorize 700 miles of fencing (see 480's post above).
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 08:29 am [ID# 1936333] [reply]
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SubstiUTE icon NEW: He owns it.
SubstiUTE - Top 25 Poster -- Saturday 12 January 2019, at 09:00 am [ID# 1936334] [reply]
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