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Posted By: UtahFanSir
Date: Monday, January 7, 2019 at 05:25 pm

...I agree the man behind the curtain is not negotiating in good faith. Until he does, why negotiate with him at all. I have no issues going back to 25 Billion in exchange for DACA.

But with one caveat.

No coming back for more money. Find a way to get great border security with that. That is what a company would do in charting its future. More from less.

Two issues I have with the wall:

I do not believe it can be built for even 25 billion. I think more like 100 billion or more. Even then, assuming it were build, I absolutely do not believe it will work.

Let's ask the experts to tell us how to stop illegal immigration. Let's stop with stupid: presupposing that a wall is the best option. It is not and the experts have made that abundantly clear.

Our President is engaged in a stunt. He got ocgreg to bite. The country has a number of like minded people who swallow slogans whole.

Let's go back to the Reagan era for a bill already passed. E-verify with onerous fines for firms who do not comply. Make it painful, jail time for top executives.

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 provided amnesty for 3 million illegal immigrants, in return for increased border security and penalties for companies "knowingly" hiring illegal immigrants.

The bipartisan Simpson-Mazzoli bill contained three promises:

1. The government would make a concerted effort to control the borders.
2. An effective employer verification program would ensure that only legal workers were hired.
3. One-time amnesty would be granted for people illegally in the United States.

All three promises were broken. The government has made no serious effort to control our borders. Employers continue knowingly to hire illegal immigrants without any real fear of punishment.

Read this: On The Issues: Ronald Reagan on Immigration.

Let's do what we have already agreed to do. Let's stop with stupid.

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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Interesting.....
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 08:22 am [ID# 1935741] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: Trump knows more about walls and ideas than you do. (nm)
SforkUte - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 08:24 am [ID# 1935742] [reply]
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Sprinkles the Bear icon NEW: Sounds about right. (short)
Sprinkles the Bear - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 08:58 am [ID# 1935743] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Here’s an idea. How about we take Trump out of the equation?
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:21 am [ID# 1935744] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Great idea. Can we have the same deal for the National Endowment for the Arts. Also, let the teachers decide how much money they should get and automatically fund it.
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:28 am [ID# 1935747] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: No (nm)
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:48 am [ID# 1935750] [reply]
o NEW: RE: Great idea. Can we have the same deal for the National Endowment for the Arts. Also, let the teachers decide how much money they should get and automatically fund it.
pappyman - -- Tuesday 8 January 2019, at 01:53 am [ID# 1935888] [reply]
SforkUte icon NEW: So now my love of this country is directly related to my feelings about the President? Interesting. (nm)
SforkUte - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:31 am [ID# 1935748] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: Page one of the neocon playbook. Most famously utilized to garner support for the Iraq invasion.
480ute - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:39 am [ID# 1935749] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Does it matter at all to you that both the Patriot act and Iraq war had support of both sides of the aisle? (nm)
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:53 am [ID# 1935752] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: No, because I'm not a dem or republican.
480ute - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:20 am [ID# 1935765] [reply]
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Red Don icon NEW: Everyone was shamed into going along with all of that crap lest they be "labeled" some non-patriotic traitor. (nm)
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 06:09 pm [ID# 1935838] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: Ding ding.
480ute - -- Tuesday 8 January 2019, at 09:01 am [ID# 1935899] [reply]
UTE BC icon NEW: Typical Liberal. I never mentioned love only hate. (nm)
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:51 am [ID# 1935751] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: “Feelings” is that better? (nm)
SforkUte - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:00 am [ID# 1935755] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Yes (nm)
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:02 am [ID# 1935757] [reply]
Puget Ute icon NEW: Early in 2018 the Democrats strongly supported a deeply bipartisan bill that gave $25B for the wall, in exchange for extending the DACA protections for kids who have lived here for most of their lives. Trump reversed course and wouldn't sign it.
Puget Ute - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:01 am [ID# 1935756] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Nailed it. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:03 am [ID# 1935759] [reply]
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UtahFanSir icon NEW: Kinda did...
UtahFanSir - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 05:25 pm [ID# 1935833] [reply]
UTE BC icon NEW: That swings both ways. Last bill they would give him $25B and now they won’t give him $5. So where’s the good faith.
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:07 am [ID# 1935761] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Did you miss this part of Puget's post? "in exchange for extending the DACA protections for kids who have lived here for most of their lives." (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:11 am [ID# 1935762] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: No. The president has said to come back to him and put DACA on this bill. They won’t do it.
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:18 am [ID# 1935764] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Show me where he has offered that. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:38 am [ID# 1935769] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: I searched high and low to get you a source you would love
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:43 am [ID# 1935771] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Nice try. That is from Jan 26, 2018. That was from the last shutdown. Show me where Trump has offered anything this time around. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:52 am [ID# 1935773] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: i have a link but I refuse to share it because of the grief I will get about the source. (short)
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:58 am [ID# 1935775] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: So, in other words......(crickets chirping)..... (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:00 am [ID# 1935776] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: Nope
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:05 am [ID# 1935779] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Still with a huge caveat.... From your article:
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:13 am [ID# 1935783] [reply]
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UTE BC icon NEW: he’s negotiating (nm)
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:19 am [ID# 1935786] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: This time in good faith, no doubt. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:24 am [ID# 1935787] [reply]
SforkUte icon NEW: I won’t ridicule. It’s a Fox News source isn’t it? (nm)
SforkUte - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:01 am [ID# 1935777] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: My guess was Infowars or Breitbart. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:05 am [ID# 1935778] [reply]
UTE BC icon NEW: Both wrong. It was Playboy. I read the articles. (nm)
UTE BC - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:07 am [ID# 1935780] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: Well what are you waiting for then? (nm)
SforkUte - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:08 am [ID# 1935781] [reply]
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Red Don icon NEW: He said yesterday that his big negotiating concession was to change the "wall" from concrete to steel.
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 06:26 pm [ID# 1935840] [reply]
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TheRealU icon NEW: If Democrats agree to fund a wall, $25 bn or $5, they should all be kicked the #%!@ out of office.
TheRealU - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:26 am [ID# 1935766] [reply]
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SforkUte icon NEW: Well, this country elected Trump so....yes we are that dumb. (nm)
SforkUte - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:28 am [ID# 1935767] [reply]
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o NEW: If "taking him out of the equation" means removing him from office... (short)
UtahFan from Germany - -- Monday 7 January 2019, at 03:38 pm [ID# 1935802] [reply]
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