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A thought on Utah's medical MJ law

Posted By: pangloss
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 03:03 pm

The irritation of the pro MMJ folks is not so much with the changes made to the medical MJ law. It's more so, the paternalistic condescension of the state legislature.

In Utah, the power to create law is solely vested in the legislature. An "initiated state statute" is not binding. It is little more than a suggestion to the 29 state senators and 75 state representatives. The law enabling "initiated state statute" elections was a bone to appease the electorate into thinking we have a participatory state government. The real power is exercised from the top down, not from the populace up.

The most powerful participant in the process to create Utah law is Temple Square (when they feel like it). It's been that way since Brigham Young said "This the place." They're a little more subtle about it now days, but the real power brokers are, and have always been, the top of the LDS church hierarchy. After all, 'father knows best'.

562,762 citizens, 53%, voted for the Prop 2 "initiated state statute". It was not a referendum. Utah doesn't do referendums. A referendum is where a law is presented to the people for a direct, democratic decision. All we can do is make a suggestion.

But the suggestion of a half-million voters is pretty loud so Temple Square allowed the legislative leadership to write a medical MJ law. And I think that's what pisses us off the most - the condescending paternalistic attitude -- that it is the responsibility of the very few to always know what's best for the very many.

So, roll another one, just like the other one, and pass it over to me. I'll feel better.

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pangloss icon NEW: A thought on Utah's medical MJ law
pangloss - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 03:03 pm [ID# 1932887] [reply]
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o NEW: I've heard that the entities in the supply chain are going to be kept confidential. I would wager everything I own that Greg Hughes put himself right there in the middle of it.
UteBrave - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 03:20 pm [ID# 1932889] [reply]
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The Thrill icon NEW: My cousin is the largest supplier to dispensaries in the west. He's told me he wants nothing to do with Utah (nm)
The Thrill - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:26 pm [ID# 1932896] [reply]
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o NEW: Due in no small part to the fact that unless he was in Utah, he would be violating federal law. (nm)
ironman1315 - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:47 pm [ID# 1932900] [reply]
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The Thrill icon NEW: He lives in Reno. Delivers to Oregon, Colorado, Las Vegas, California, Alaska and Washington (short)
The Thrill - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 05:38 pm [ID# 1932906] [reply]
o NEW: When can I get you fitted for that tin foil hat? (nm)
ironman1315 - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:47 pm [ID# 1932899] [reply]
o NEW: Is any of that not true? (short)
UteBrave - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 09:16 pm [ID# 1932914] [reply]
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o NEW: most politicians are corrupt, the ones that gerrymander themselves into office seem to be more corrupt than the average politician
FlyfishingUte - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 09:21 pm [ID# 1932915] [reply]
o NEW: Dunno. Care to present evidence. You're the one that made the claim Hughes is trying to make money off it. Prove it. (nm)
ironman1315 - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 10:05 pm [ID# 1932918] [reply]
o NEW: greg hughes has a history of using his legislative position to profit. Trax land deals were jsut the tip of the ice berg. hughes tends not get involved unless there's something in it for him. (nm)
FlyfishingUte - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 10:13 pm [ID# 1932920] [reply]
o NEW: Ok. then you should prove it in this case. (nm)
ironman1315 - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 11:02 pm [ID# 1932922] [reply]
o NEW: So you agree he has a history of corruption? I've got better things to do the. Chase down Greg Hughes misdeeds I'll be surprised if city weekly or the trib don't find something though (nm)
FlyfishingUte - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 11:30 pm [ID# 1932924] [reply]
o NEW: Hughes does everything behind closed doors. Impossible to prove anything when he’s hiding behind a locked door.
UteBrave - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 11:39 pm [ID# 1932926] [reply]
o NEW: BTW keeping these entities confidential helps to protect them should the feds get a bee up their ass and try to prosecute. (nm)
ironman1315 - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:48 pm [ID# 1932901] [reply]
Red Don icon NEW: Well, those old farts can't handle the management of caffeine, (it's ok cold, but an abomination hot), and have fu@ked up alcohol and tried with cable tv.
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 03:29 pm [ID# 1932890] [reply]
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o NEW: It sucks, but there could be worse people making laws than the brethren. For those that are upset....in the words of grandpa Willie...
The Stadium Pooper - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 03:38 pm [ID# 1932892] [reply]
pangloss icon NEW: Yup
pangloss - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:03 pm [ID# 1932894] [reply]
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o NEW: agreed, Atilla the Hun and other people of faith and deeply held beliefs trying to ramrod their morality down the non believer's throats through the legislative process might be worse
FlyfishingUte - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 06:30 pm [ID# 1932909] [reply]
WV_Ute icon NEW: A 2nd thought on Utah's medical MJ law
WV_Ute - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:20 pm [ID# 1932895] [reply]
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o NEW: it's meddling like this that has convinced me that I won't retire here. Utah is a theocracy. some will try to argue otherwise but most of the legislature are puppets for 50 E S. Temple (nm)
FlyfishingUte - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:37 pm [ID# 1932898] [reply]
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PrestitUTE icon NEW: I live in Boise, which still gets a lot of influence, but it is night and day better compared to SLC. The only things that make me miss Utah are Utah Sports, Snowboarding, Family, and Friends. (nm)
PrestitUTE - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 05:20 pm [ID# 1932905] [reply]
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o NEW: I'm actually considering that or maybe Montana, except I'm kinda done with cold weather (nm)
FlyfishingUte - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 08:25 pm [ID# 1932912] [reply]
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o NEW: Kind of makes you embarassed for them on City Creek. All they had to do was block Boyer from building Gateway, and no titty bar at Dead Goat. But slept through Crossroads' implosion instead. Billion dollars of oops.
Duhwayne - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 04:51 pm [ID# 1932903] [reply]
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Red Don icon NEW: And keep their asses out of the capitol buildings too. (nm)
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 05:49 pm [ID# 1932907] [reply]
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o NEW: I think there are legitimate reasons for a church to engage government, but I think the role churches played to elect the president and do a lot of moral legislating should get their tax exemption revoked. (nm)
Duhwayne - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 06:05 pm [ID# 1932908] [reply]
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HoopUte icon NEW: Love the Little Feat reference. (nm)
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 05:05 pm [ID# 1932904] [reply]
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o NEW: Wish we could trade state legislators
ocgreg - -- Wednesday 5 December 2018, at 06:54 pm [ID# 1932910] [reply]
BulgieUte icon NEW: You have no idea what you're talking about foreigner, shut up. (nm)
BulgieUte - -- Thursday 6 December 2018, at 06:06 pm [ID# 1932978] [reply]
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