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I worry a lot about mentally ill people with guns

Posted By: execUTEioner
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 12:44 pm

I have a friend who I have known for over 20 years. I have never known him to have mental issues until about 4 years ago when his wife divorced him. Since then his behavior has been extremely strange and worrisome. He can't hold a steady job. He has extreme anxiety and paranoia. He's bounced around from place to place and usually get's kicked out due to his behavior. Just a few examples of his craziness over the past few years:


  • He thinks there are hidden cameras in places such as his truck radio or dashboard. He covers things that he thinks are cameras with tape or chewed gum

  • He had surgery as a result of a fractured vertebrae form a car accident. He was given a bone stimulator device to help with the healing and was convinced that it was jacking with his brain. I tried an experiment where I covered the lights on the device and put it on him and didn't tell him if it was on or off. He couldn't tell when it was on or off. He also thought the automatic doors at stores were interfering with the screws in his vertebrae.

  • He often thinks people are stealing from him. Even ridiculous things like he was convinced that someone was breaking into his truck and stealing scoops of protein powder. He often misplaces his wallet or keys and thinks that somebody broke in and stole them, etc.

  • He takes adderall (which I believe exacerbates his paranoia) and often accuses people of stealing his meds. (when he's just running out before the end of the month)

  • He thinks his coworkers are conspiring against him. He had a job at the U doing maintenance for a few months and thought his coworkers were messing with him and would talk about how he was going to kick the one guys ass if he didn't stop. He was eventually fired because he texted photos of his guns to the said co-workers.

  • He constantly thinks he's been hacked. He gets new email addresses and new phones because he thinks he's been hacked. He thinks people listen in on his calls. His truck had an issue where the fuel pump wouldn't shut off and his battery would be dead overnight and thought somebody was hacking his truck. He thought someone had a 'remote kill switch" for his truck

  • He thinks when people cough or clear their throats that they are doing it to mess with him.


I could do another 100 bullet points of similar, crazy stories. He owns an AR-15 type semi-automatic rifle and a semi-auto 9mm hand gun and keeps them in his truck. He sometimes has violent fantasies about people who he thinks has slighted him, such as beating up a co-worker that he thinks is messing with him or catching someone breaking into his truck and killing them. I have never specifically heard him threaten anything about using his guns (the texting a photo to his coworkers is the closest, which he claimed was just a joke).

I really believe his paranoia and anxiety affect his judgement to the point that he shouldn't be anywhere around guns. I've offered to buy them from him (when he was desperate for money) but he would chose homelessness before he gave them up. He most likely will end up homeless unless he gets some kind of therapy, but he no interest.

Once, when he was having a particularly bad mental break I tried to get him to check into the neuropsych institute but he wouldn't. I was able to get him to talk to someone on the crisis line once but that's about it.

When I see a shooting on the news sometimes I check the name to see if it's him. If he goes dark for a long time I check the inmate rosters for the local jails. What else can I do?

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Rocker Ute icon NEW: Another mass shooting...
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:07 am [ID# 1929343] [reply]
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tarheelio icon NEW: The 2 tribes, I mean the 2 dominant parties, are too busy trying to win the debate over the root cause of all these shootings. Is it mental health or is it too many guns? How bout we decide that both things are correct and work to fix both? (nm)
tarheelio - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:20 am [ID# 1929345] [reply]
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Rocker Ute icon NEW: We always seem to expect a simple solution for a complex problem, and the truth is, solving these issues are complex, require incremental improvements and take time. There is no incentive in that.
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:35 am [ID# 1929347] [reply]
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Puget Ute icon NEW: That exact thing happened here in WA. People are losing their collective $#!+ over it. But the law bans people who have been treated in an inpatient mental care facility from buying a gun, etc.
Puget Ute - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 10:26 am [ID# 1929361] [reply]
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execUTEioner icon NEW: I worry a lot about mentally ill people with guns
execUTEioner - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:44 pm [ID# 1929396] [reply]
pangloss icon NEW: I'm just an armchair amatuer psychciatrist, but that sounds like the acts of a paranoid schizophrenic. You are right to be afraid. He needs help. (nm)
pangloss - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 01:00 pm [ID# 1929398] [reply]
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execUTEioner icon NEW: I fully agree. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of mental health resources for adult men. Not that he would be willing to use them. (nm)
execUTEioner - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 01:40 pm [ID# 1929410] [reply]
BulgieUte icon NEW: RE: I fully agree. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of mental health resources for adult men. Not that he would be willing to use them.
BulgieUte - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 05:25 pm [ID# 1929448] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: That is a problem with paranoid schizophrenia, for sure. I was involved in getting someone committed to the U's psych hospital against their will a number of years ago. Not fun, and even after there was no desire to take medication or acknowledge
Zeous - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 06:49 pm [ID# 1929456] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: I'm no fan of the Democrat Party, but how have they impeded the progress of either discussion? (nm)
480ute - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:56 am [ID# 1929355] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: It's gotten to the point where we accept it as a normal everyday event. So of course it will always be "too soon" to discuss ways to mitigate. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:30 am [ID# 1929346] [reply]
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o NEW: I've thought for a long time...
UtahFan from Germany - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:35 am [ID# 1929348] [reply]
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pangloss icon NEW: All you write is true. The NRA also took $30 million from Russia. Their 'super-patriot facade' is BS.
pangloss - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:58 am [ID# 1929356] [reply]
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Red Don icon NEW: And the extended clip used by the shooter is outlawed in CA.
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 02:22 pm [ID# 1929416] [reply]
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sweetgrass icon NEW: Visa claims smart card technology has reduced fraud for them by 75% in the U.S.
sweetgrass - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 09:52 am [ID# 1929353] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: Are they? Europe has knife, acid, bomb, and truck attacks instead. And still some gun attacks.
Zeous - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 10:33 am [ID# 1929364] [reply]
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TheRealU icon NEW: I #%!@ing HATE this argument - "there will always be violence so why worry about guns"
TheRealU - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 11:12 am [ID# 1929367] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: And I #%!@ing HATE the argument that banning guns will reduce violence in a meaningful way. You want more oppression? Create a bigger gap in weapons technology between the masses and the few, and you'll have it to the degree that that gap exists.
Zeous - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 11:50 am [ID# 1929377] [reply]
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TheRealU icon NEW: The gap between the government and the people is already HUGE
TheRealU - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 11:54 am [ID# 1929378] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: That's right, but they can't use those and kill a ton of people while still retaining a labor force that delivers a high standard of living. But they can, if they can go door-to-door on some pretense, and more selectively target. That is more
Zeous - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 07:01 pm [ID# 1929458] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: Banning? Banning? We can't even get minor legislation considered, much less passed.
480ute - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:15 pm [ID# 1929390] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: Of course there's going to be violence with or without guns, nobody has ever claimed otherwise.
480ute - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 11:13 am [ID# 1929368] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: Yep. A lot more people would be alive today if that guy in Mandalay Bay had been throwing knives instead of shooting guns. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 01:14 pm [ID# 1929402] [reply]
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TheRealU icon NEW: One other note; the US has knife, acid, bomb, and truck attacks. And a $#!+ ton of gun attacks. (nm)
TheRealU - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 11:14 am [ID# 1929369] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: Cui bono?
Zeous - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 10:26 am [ID# 1929362] [reply]
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SkinyUte icon NEW: After all the garbage you post about about refugees/antifa/anyone brown being a threat that we need to address, you're going to claim that our collective response to mass shootings should simply be to shrug and do zip because "bad people exist". LOL (nm)
SkinyUte - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 10:36 am [ID# 1929365] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: I've never said anything about "brown" people. You just did. Strawmen arguments are pathetic and deceptive.
Zeous - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 07:15 pm [ID# 1929459] [reply]
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o NEW: You know why lawn darts were banned in the US, right?
UtahFan from Germany - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 11:27 am [ID# 1929372] [reply]
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o NEW: I’m not an expert but
ocgreg - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 11:57 am [ID# 1929380] [reply]
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SkinyUte icon NEW: Neither will your guns. (nm)
SkinyUte - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:00 pm [ID# 1929382] [reply]
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TheRealU icon NEW: They have NUKES
TheRealU - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:05 pm [ID# 1929385] [reply]
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o NEW: Can we start with Berkeley? (short)
ocgreg - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:19 pm [ID# 1929393] [reply]
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UTAuley icon NEW: "most level headed American's want to get rid of ALL guns"
UTAuley - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:40 pm [ID# 1929395] [reply]
TheRealU icon NEW: Yes, that was a error. I meant to type that most DON'T want to get rid of all guns, just want some common sense reform - anything really. (short)
TheRealU - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 01:28 pm [ID# 1929407] [reply]
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o NEW: "protect liberty from a tyrannical government" <- NRA propaganda, exhibit A (nm)
UtahFan from Germany - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:06 pm [ID# 1929386] [reply]
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sweetgrass icon NEW: whenever I hear that phrase I can't help but think (short)
sweetgrass - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:13 pm [ID# 1929388] [reply]
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o NEW: We have this thing in America called “The Bill of Rights” (short)
ocgreg - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:15 pm [ID# 1929391] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: Oh come off it. The only one unconcerned with the bill of rights is you... The guy who is totally disinterested in the president squashing the very first amendment (see thread above).
480ute - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 12:18 pm [ID# 1929392] [reply]
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Newbomb Turk icon NEW: He likes to pick and choose which amendments he likes, just like a lot of "Christians" like to pick and choose which bible verses they follow. (nm)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 01:25 pm [ID# 1929405] [reply]
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Zeous icon NEW: Are you saying they should be more like Muslims with the Quran and not have the option (or common decency) to pick and choose? (nm)
Zeous - -- Thursday 8 November 2018, at 07:18 pm [ID# 1929461] [reply]
o NEW: I guess what he likes to say is...
UtahFan from Germany - -- Friday 9 November 2018, at 02:16 am [ID# 1929485] [reply]
Zeous icon NEW: I can agree with that - essentially defining the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy, which it certainly is. In the case of the Constitution, it is the law though (or believed to be at least). (nm)
Zeous - -- Friday 9 November 2018, at 07:07 pm [ID# 1929579] [reply]
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