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Posted By: UtahFanSir
Date: Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 09:42 am

I am worried. For this country, I'm worried. I had hopes that he would actually do some good as president, even though I did not vote for him.

My contention is that he would not be in trouble, even with all we know, as you mention, until his base was eroded by 30-40%. Increasingly there is evidence that his support is beginning to flag.

Reuters Poll in Rural America.

In August I met a couple who are deeply involved in political campaigns, as professionals. We talked about our president's poll numbers. They said that those numbers are really about as low as they can go, plus or minus. That opinion was based on decades of work, it is understood that a core group of voters, not matter what, is literally "unmovable" in their support. This pair believed we are there with this president.

Why the ardent support in the face of all you and I see? Therein lies the great cultural divide. Between two sides of issues is a massive difference in outlook, in experience, in education, in thinking styles, perception, and in gut feel for what is and is not. We see this in spades on the microcosm of UF.N. Folks just see the same events, hear the same information, and perceive and interpret it completely differently. Furthermore, once someone has made up their mind, for some if not many, no amount of contrary information will change their minds. Part of that is confirmation bias, but I am sure other factors are involved. For example, it is very difficult for folks to admit they have made a mistake. I know some folks where it is impossible for them to admit such.

My concern mirrors your thoughts. I think it a disaster that the Iran nuke deal not be ratified. At that point, I seriously doubt Iran will ever come back to the table. If I were an Iranian, I certainly would not. And having worked in the Middle East for six years, I can assure you that the loss of face over this will create a deeper and more determined enemy.

I think we all need to absorb the thinking of other countries toward America. We see a land of liberty, freedom, self-determination, and equality. We see a peacemaker, an open and generous nation. Other countries see an arrogant global economic and military hegemonic bully, ready and willing to topple governments the US does not like. I know this because I listened to folks in the 12 years I lived in Asia and Europe and another six I worked in the Middle East.

So I am petrified.

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UtahFanSir icon NEW: Should We The People be concerned?
UtahFanSir - -- Wednesday 11 October 2017, at 11:28 pm [ID# 1889069] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: RE: "I am concerned" ... if you're not concerned, you haven't been paying attention. No one want's to live in chaos all the time and that's all Trump does.
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 06:35 am [ID# 1889070] [reply]
o NEW: No, please don't hold back. Tell us, pretty please, what you really think? (nm)
Flyer - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 06:42 am [ID# 1889071] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: ... And once again you can't seem to argue the merits (nm)
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 07:48 am [ID# 1889077] [reply]
Newbomb Turk icon NEW: So you tell us what you think he is doing right. So far I can't think of one thing.
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 08:32 am [ID# 1889082] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: It seems as though most of what he has "accomplished" is just the undoing of other people's work.
480ute - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:17 am [ID# 1889097] [reply]
HoopUte icon NEW: You mean a tax plan that doesn't define what the income brackets are to determine tax rates isn't really a plan? Who knew?
HoopUte - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:31 am [ID# 1889101] [reply]
Red Don icon NEW: No Subject
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:43 am [ID# 1889104] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: Somebody on Real Time a few months ago said that we have a low information voter as POTUS. That about sums it up. (nm)
480ute - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:54 am [ID# 1889106] [reply]
Red Don icon NEW:
Red Don - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 06:42 pm [ID# 1889130] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: Why should we be concerned?
Rocker Ute - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 07:47 am [ID# 1889076] [reply]
UtahFanSir icon NEW: Uniquely unqualified.
UtahFanSir - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 09:42 am [ID# 1889086] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: Agreed. And I love your last paragraph ... it pretty much echo's what Chomsky points out on nearly every political discussion on US foreign policy. And he can back it up with concrete examples in every case.
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 10:11 am [ID# 1889089] [reply]
o NEW: "once someone has made up their mind, for some if not many, no amount of contrary information will change their minds."
UteBrave - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 10:13 am [ID# 1889090] [reply]
HoopUte icon NEW: "Don't bother me with facts, boy. I've already made up my mind." -- Foghorn Leghorn
HoopUte - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 10:27 am [ID# 1889091] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: The bar has been lowered to a point that nearly anybody looks like a better option.
480ute - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 10:47 am [ID# 1889093] [reply]
96GradAlum icon NEW: Pence is a political snake IMHO. But that is better than constant chaos. And I'm sure he has a better grasp of the ramifications of his actions, something Trump either lacks, or doesn't care about. (nm)
96GradAlum - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:04 am [ID# 1889094] [reply]
HoopUte icon NEW: Count me as one who believes it is past time for some real statesmen & stateswomen to step up and execute Section 4 of the 25th Amendment (nm)
HoopUte - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 09:58 am [ID# 1889087] [reply]
execUTEioner icon NEW: The problem with the 25th amendment is that it depends on the cabinet, which are all appointed sycophants
execUTEioner - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:04 am [ID# 1889095] [reply]
HoopUte icon NEW: Agreed, but without a crime it's the only approach available, and only half that's available since Congress never put in place a statute for them to act on Section 4
HoopUte - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:33 am [ID# 1889102] [reply]
UtahFanSir icon NEW: Matt Taibbi deals with this in the latest RS...
UtahFanSir - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 03:55 pm [ID# 1889119] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: I'm just waiting for one republican to step and say publicly what they've been caught saying behind closed doors, consequences be damned.
480ute - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:10 am [ID# 1889096] [reply]
Maji Man icon NEW: Sen Corker's comments are not enough?
Maji Man - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 12:26 pm [ID# 1889112] [reply]
480ute icon NEW: What, calling the white house an adult day care center? No, that doesn't go nearly far enough.
480ute - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 12:45 pm [ID# 1889113] [reply]
wannabeaute icon NEW: 25th Amendment. Trump "What's that?" Reported yesterday by sources close to Mattis. (nm)
wannabeaute - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 11:21 am [ID# 1889098] [reply]
pangloss icon NEW: Senator Bob Corker, the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, an experienced, serious Republican with no political axe to grind, said of Trump:
pangloss - -- Thursday 12 October 2017, at 03:39 pm [ID# 1889118] [reply]
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