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UTEopia icon
Someone please provide a moral justification for separating the children of illegal immigrants from their parents. I find it to be the most cruel and inhumane practice engaged in by the US since the incarceration of Japanese-Americans during WWII.
UTEopia Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:08 am
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I'm Japanese American. Your analogy doesn't apply. First, the kids were allowed to stay with their parents in camps. Second, we were either U.S. citizens or green cards. Last, we never broke laws like the illegal immigrants who cross illegally. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:36 am
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? - It isn't an analogy, he said it was the worst thing SINCE the Japanese internment.
Rocker Ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:43 am
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Rocker Ute: If it isn't an analogy then I can name things that are worse that the U.S. has done since the incarceration of Japanese American during WW II and probably done under Demorats. Newbomb, whap!!! (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:15 pm
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.....and still hasn't addressed the moral justification. No surprise there though. He would rather play whataboutism than have to admit that his dear leader is at fault. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:31 pm
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You mean like: It is illegal to enter this country without a passport and visa and illegal to overstay a visa. But what about the children? Like that whataboutism? (short)
Zeous Thursday 14 June 2018, at 06:54 pm
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And go ahead and name those things are worse that the U.S. has done since the incarceration of Japanese Americans.
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:48 pm
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Newbomb: JFK and LBJ getting us involved in the Vietnam War---Obama doing nothing after the gassing of children in Syria---Clinton doing nothing as bodies floated down the river in Rwanda. Newbomb: ZAP! (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:57 pm
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Dude, your partisan hackery is so transparent, and reaching scary levels.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:03 pm
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Eisenhower sent over the first "advisors" in 1955. And presidents doing "nothing" after atrocities in other countries? Really? That means they sanctioned it? Really? You are obtuse. And ZAP? Are you 12? (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:15 pm
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Newbomb: Eisenhower's advisors did not escalate the war like LBJ did. Furthermore, doing nothing during crisis is much a policy decision as doing something. Yes, they did sanction it. "Whoosh" really? Are you 11? (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:29 pm
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DUDE. Stop putting a GD smiley face in your post. I don't need to open a message to see your simpering smile. I can imagine a highly-punchable face and get the same effect. (nm)
Sprinkles the Bear Thursday 14 June 2018, at 03:24 pm
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Sprinkles the Bear: Now, that was violent. You're starting to sound like TDS, Robert DeNiro. By the way, you don't have to read my post and the smiley face, however, I'm glad that it aggravates you. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 10:41 pm
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"Whoosh" is just easier than saying you missed the point yet again. "Zap" implies that you burned him with your rebuttal somehow. The first is factual and sensible, while the second is subjective and silly. (nm)
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 03:44 pm
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480ute: That's a distinction without a difference. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 10:45 pm
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So while you worry about things worse than Japanese interment you continue to miss the point. The relativism isn't the issue, it is the fact that innocent children are being separated from their parents, and we could fix that but we don't.
Rocker Ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 05:25 pm
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Whoosh. Point missed. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 12:03 pm
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Not an analogy - Please provide your moral justification for this action. (nm)
UTEopia Thursday 14 June 2018, at 12:39 pm
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UTEtopia: Read my post to Newbomb. More than enough moral justification or maybe immoral justification.
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:01 pm
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Okay, against my better judgement, I'll play one more round. So, other bad things that have happened are the justification for this? Got it. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:20 pm
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You cannot morally justify something by citing other immoral acts. Your position is as ludicrous as someone arguing that he was justified in committing rape because the father of the victim raped someone else.
UTEopia Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:57 pm
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A racist Dictator has to do, what a racist Dictator has to do.... (short)
UTEDUDE Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:36 am
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Utedude: That's your characterization of Trump. Trump Derangement Syndrome!! (nm)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:40 am
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Right, he's just pretending to abhor racism, just so that he can criticize Trump.
Ute Bear Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:58 am
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I have seen this "Trump Derangement Syndrome" in a couple of places now. If I were Trump, I would be very upset at having a syndrome that's chief characteristic is that of being deranged, named after me. I do believe Trump is deranged, but I am not
UTEopia Thursday 14 June 2018, at 12:43 pm
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Utebear and Uteopia: You live on another planet. The term Trump Derangement Syndrome has been described everywhere except the mainstream media. "TDS"=Samantha B, Bill Maher, Robert DeNiro. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:22 pm
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The ONLY . Trump Derangement syndrome occurring is i. The White House and I. His ardent supporters
FlyfishingUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 12:57 pm
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FF: Your another one who has to study up on the issues. The link below argues how the Emolument Clause case is "Bogus." If it applied to George Washington or James Madison, they would have never been president for selling their crops overseas.
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:51 pm
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Correction, in the author's OPINION the Emolument Clause case is "Bogus." their OPINION is no more valid than anyone elses on this. 200+ years ago was a different time.
FlyfishingUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 04:51 pm
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FF, does that validate your opinion by you just saying so? (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 10:59 pm
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The Republicans have agreed to end this practice if they can get $25 billion to build Trump's wall.
Utahraptor Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:45 am
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Which is why I find far right conservatives and republicans repugnant THey claim to be "christians" their actions betray them. (nm)
FlyfishingUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 12:54 pm
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Utahraptor: I wish that you understood the issues better. There's more to it than just the $25 million for the wall. Trump's four pillars: wall, visa lottery, chain migration, DACA. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:26 pm
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You mean the same chain migration that got his wife's parents in? Oh that's right, they're wealthy and white. My bad. (nm)
SkinyUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:38 pm
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RE: Utahraptor: I wish that you understood the issues better. There's more to it than just the $25 million for the wall. Trump's four pillars: wall, visa lottery, chain migration, DACA.
Utahraptor Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:47 pm
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RE: "I welcome a response from you that demonstrates a better understanding of the issues in the Republican plan." lol ... good luck with that. From what I've seen he doesn't make cogent arguments. Ever! (nm)
96GradAlum Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:55 pm
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96GradAlum: You say "That's the Republican Plan." It's really Paul Ryan's plan and needs 218 votes. I haven't made judgement on the so-called compromise because it could be a trojan horse. Will McConnell bring it to the floor and will Trump sign? (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:20 pm
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Now we’re talk’in* (short)
ocgreg Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:30 pm
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So you're saying this is okay, as long as it gets you your wall. Got it. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:49 pm
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Newbomb, the wall and the other three pillars. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:14 pm
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When I was in junior high, my mother was busted for being a heroin dealer. The justice system had no problem in separating me from my mother, and I was a United States citizen.
tarheelio Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:06 pm
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480ute icon
Not condoning illegal immigration, but this is hugely different.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:12 pm
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480ute: You ARE condoning illegal immigration. Any illegal who brings their chlld up through Mexico is subjecting their kids to "violent or drug related offenses," rape and kidnapping by cyotes or the cartel. By the way, Corker: "Bye, Bye." (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:35 pm
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So...the same things they're trying to escape from in their home countries. (nm)
SkinyUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:40 pm
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SkinyUte: No, not all of the migrants are escaping danger. But, the U.S. can't have out of control immigration with dubious claims of asylum or any other reason or we'll have chaos, murder and rape like you have in Germany, Sweden and France. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:28 pm
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480ute icon
How can anything that I said be interpreted as condoning illegal immigration?
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:40 pm
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See how far he is willing to go to justify his dear leader? It's appalling. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:51 pm
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He took a page straight outta Trump's manipulation playbook.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:58 pm
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The Trump "playbook" is a winning playbook. Tired of WINNING!!!!! (nm)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:10 pm
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Trump has rewritten the meaning of "winning", just as he has done with so many other realities.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:35 pm
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480ute: I'm not defending the separation of children. However, Congress made this law's loophole in the first place, but more importantly it begins with those parents who decide to make the trek with dangerous impunity.
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:20 pm
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You are beyond help. Done with you. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:24 pm
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Well, I mean you're kinda defending it with your "loophole" justification. And, I'm not sure what you mean by "dangerous impunity".
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:32 pm
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Let's use the same circumstances - Mormon entry into Mexican territory in 1847...
Ma'ake Thursday 14 June 2018, at 03:03 pm
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After the Short Creek raid in 1953, 263 children from polygamist families were taken into government custody and 150 of them were not returned to their parents for two years.
Utahraptor Thursday 14 June 2018, at 04:06 pm
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Selling drugs and coming to the United States without permission are obviously very different. The issue is that when parents break the law, there is almost always separation between they and their children.
tarheelio Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:34 pm
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Yes, some of these facilities were built to house individuals, but don't tell me that we don't have the ability to either house them in makeshift centers (as we have in some places), or make slight alterations to current hubs to accomodate families.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:47 pm
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This? Please trust Huffington Post writers as much as you trust Fox News, which should be not at all.
tarheelio Thursday 14 June 2018, at 02:59 pm
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That Trump mural has been reported by multiple sources, not just HP. And FWIW, there's also a mural of Obama in the same facility. The Trump one just happens to be the first one you see when you come in.
SkinyUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 03:04 pm
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It was covered by MANY media outlets, and I'm not even sure why you're mentioning Huffington Post (although I do agree with your HP sentiment). I'll admit that I was too quick to post about it for another reason though.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 03:12 pm
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RE: Someone please provide a moral justification for separating the children of illegal immigrants from their parents. I find it to be the most cruel and inhumane practice engaged in by the US since the incarceration of Japanese-Americans during WWI (long)
Charlie Thursday 14 June 2018, at 06:18 pm
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Charlie: That was a very thoughtful post that asked a lot of very good questions. I just didn't like Uteopia's historical reference to Japanese American internment. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:36 pm
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I don't meddle in politics much, but WTF?
sweetgrass Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:57 am
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Dictators impress him. Here he is on China's Xi: “He’s now president for life. President for life. No, he’s great,” “And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday.” (nm)
Ute Bear Thursday 14 June 2018, at 09:08 am
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Here's President Trump saluting a North Korean General
execUTEioner Thursday 14 June 2018, at 09:35 am
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Remember when conservatives lost their minds because Obama bowed? I'm sure they'll be along any time now to tell us how this is different.
SkinyUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 09:39 am
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Yep. Fox News has got this hypocrisy thing down pat.
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 10:42 am
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"It was breathtaking,...". Really, Geraldo?
Red Don Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:28 am
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You serious Clark? Since when has Geraldo been a respectable journalist?
Rocker Ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:55 am
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RE: You serious Clark?
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 12:00 pm
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That's both pathetic and hillarious. (nm)
Ute Bear Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:53 am
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It's not different. (short)
UtahFanSir Thursday 14 June 2018, at 10:52 am
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Robert Mugabe. Amazing leader.
Duhwayne Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:02 am
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RE: I don't meddle in politics much, but WTF?
The Thrill Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:09 pm
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Conglomernation. You saw that word here first.
The Thrill Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 09:57 pm
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We have always been at war with Eastasia. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 10:24 pm
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Vulgar insults.
jhill Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 07:19 pm
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Brah go canoodle some catfish, wrestle a gator, tip back some keystone lights, (nm)
FlyfishingUte Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 07:39 pm
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One side is clearly more creative than the other. Good job you lefty bumsquashers. (nm)
mokus Thursday 14 June 2018, at 01:12 pm
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I'm sure I called someone a maroon. Put that on the right side of the ledger. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 07:40 pm
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“She was breastfeeding her daughter when officials took her”
WISCyUTE Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 07:42 pm
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Wow. The optics of this stance just got substantially worse. How anyone could support yanking kids away from their parents like this is beyond me
FlyfishingUte Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 07:53 pm
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RE: Wow. Really?
Basketball Junkie Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:27 am
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My world isn't black and white like yours. Apples to oranges. In your chos n example you broke a law
FlyfishingUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:38 am
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I’m pro-family unification (short)
ocgreg Thursday 14 June 2018, at 07:20 am
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Let me guess....you are pro-homeless shelters, but just not anywhere near your neighborhood. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:27 am
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When parents break the law they are separated from their children. It has happened for years and will continue. (short)
UTE BC Thursday 14 June 2018, at 07:25 am
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I'm trying *really* hard not to add to the vulgar insults list after reading comments like this.
SkinyUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:26 am
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True, for certain crimes it is an unfortunate (for the child) necessity. It is extreme overkill (cruel and unusual punishment) for the crime of illegal immigration.
WISCyUTE Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:27 am
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Your welcome. I thought it paired nicely with your post. (nm)
UTE BC Thursday 14 June 2018, at 09:11 am
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I'll say the same thing I said to Greg a while back: I believe in strong borders and immigration policy, but not at the cost of basic decency to others.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 09:19 am
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Yet you support s president that.breaks the emollient clause daily and uses the office for his own personal gain. You and trump have ZERO credibility when it comes to following the rule of law. (nm)
FlyfishingUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 09:30 am
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Nailed it. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 10:47 am
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You left out dumb #%!@ing cultist.
Duhwayne Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 08:23 pm
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You know what's a vulgar insult? When you call an Englishman a sister-boy. They really hate that. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 08:50 pm
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Most of my insults are towards Trump, not our fellow Utes.
Red Don Wednesday 13 June 2018, at 09:55 pm
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Jhill: I love your post. (short)
sacute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 07:54 am
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Well of course you do! ...(musses sacute's hair)... Now go outside and play with your friends. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:23 am
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Agree with JHill's main point, here. Politics is toxic enough - we need to draw *more* people to think about & talk about the state & future of our nation via less offensive posts, not add to the toxicity. (nm)
Ma'ake Thursday 14 June 2018, at 07:55 am
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Have to disagree with you. Jhill is working the playbook and trying to play the victim: "...but I think one side of the political spectrum can make more of a difference."
Ute Bear Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:19 am
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I amended my "completely agree" to "agree with main point"...
Ma'ake Thursday 14 June 2018, at 08:31 am
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First, it seems that most of these are directed at public figures. They're fair game, and the only reason "the left" is targeting them more often here is because "the right" is in charge now.
480ute Thursday 14 June 2018, at 09:26 am
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Says the guy who said "If you aren't rooting for trump right now please go #%!@ youself"
GUBA Thursday 14 June 2018, at 11:29 am
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Trumshycopath, lying blowhard, buffoon, and delusional narcissist are vulgarities? Who knew?
HoopUte Thursday 14 June 2018, at 05:03 pm
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