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UtahFanSir icon
More on the Pac-12 leadership...
UtahFanSir Saturday 8 December 2018, at 09:43 am
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The Thrill icon
Salt Lake Stallions.....some familiar names
The Thrill Saturday 8 December 2018, at 08:38 am
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SforkUte icon
None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. (nm)
SforkUte Saturday 8 December 2018, at 08:47 am
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The Thrill icon
I haven't watched an NFL game in 5 years, any of them. Doubt I'll even remember this thing is happening.
The Thrill Saturday 8 December 2018, at 08:59 am
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RUUTES icon
None yet but once all the bowl games are over I'll re-evaluate
RUUTES Saturday 8 December 2018, at 02:05 pm
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The Thrill icon
Some other facts abut the AAF
The Thrill Saturday 8 December 2018, at 08:54 am
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Their schedule is during the heart of college basketball season and the NCAA tournament. I won't be watching football. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Saturday 8 December 2018, at 09:12 am
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Not exactly the wisest business decision...
UtahFan from Germany Saturday 8 December 2018, at 09:39 am
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Yeah you guys are going to be watching the Utes in post season basketball....lol. (nm)
The Stadium Pooper Saturday 8 December 2018, at 12:36 pm
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SforkUte icon
They also screwed up their team name. Why not “The Stallionzzzz”? That’s a bad, bad omen. (nm)
SforkUte Saturday 8 December 2018, at 10:04 am
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Better yet, Wyld Stallyns. (nm)
ExquisUte Saturday 8 December 2018, at 10:37 am
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The Thrill icon
RE: Better yet, Wyld Stallyns.
The Thrill Saturday 8 December 2018, at 10:51 am
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Interesting take... food for thought
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 08:30 am
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RE: I think the author doesn't understand they definition of the words atheism and religion. (nm)
Daedalus17 Saturday 8 December 2018, at 08:56 am
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Zeous icon
He offered his own. I think the definition of religion being a sytem for humans to find meaning and not a theory for the existence of the universe is more apt, and adequately includes the "new religions".
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 12:16 pm
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Any definition of religion that includes atheism as a form of religion...
UtahFan from Germany Saturday 8 December 2018, at 12:53 pm
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Zeous icon
Disagree, for those atheists who claim to "know" there is no intelligent influence greater than humanity at play. That claim is an expression of faith as much as the claim to know there is such being(s)
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 07:12 pm
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Then atheism fails as a religion under his own definition.
480ute Saturday 8 December 2018, at 01:00 pm
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Zeous icon
Seems mostly true, but there are followers of atheist "priests", like Dawkins.
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 07:08 pm
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Newbomb Turk icon
Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He didn't believe in Dog. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Saturday 8 December 2018, at 09:09 am
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Dyslexics of the world, untie! (nm)
UtahFan from Germany Saturday 8 December 2018, at 09:26 am
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That was neither an interesting take nor food for thought. That guy is fractally confused. (nm)
AbsolUTE UTE Saturday 8 December 2018, at 11:00 am
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Zeous icon
Interesting response. How so? I think he described frequent attitudes, behaviors, and beliefs found in threads here on uf.n in the politics category.
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 12:07 pm
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480ute icon
Still ignoring political threads, but can't resist a religiously themed one.
480ute Saturday 8 December 2018, at 12:31 pm
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Newbomb Turk icon
Nailed it. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Saturday 8 December 2018, at 12:48 pm
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Zeous icon
Hm. So you take offense to the suggestion that the belief that there is no "god" (loose as that hae been defined by so many, from sky man to nature itself to metaphorical or literal natural phenomena personified) also qualifies as a form of faith?
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 01:04 pm
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480ute icon
Yes, because it's not a belief. It's a lack of belief.
480ute Saturday 8 December 2018, at 01:10 pm
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Zeous icon
I see. Semantics then, because that sounded more like agnostic "don't know" than the atheist "know there is not". You're right that the way of life part isn't typically part of atheism itself, but some atheists adopt humanism or buddhism to fill that
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 05:37 pm
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480ute icon
No, it's not semantics.
480ute Sunday 9 December 2018, at 01:26 pm
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Zeous icon
Yes, it is. From the holy wikipedia...
Zeous Sunday 9 December 2018, at 02:02 pm
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Zeous icon
Not to pile on, becuase this isn't the crux of what I was hoping to discuss, but...
Zeous Sunday 9 December 2018, at 02:10 pm
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Interestingly, some of what you've been saying I found on a site for organized atheism.
Zeous Sunday 9 December 2018, at 02:26 pm
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While there might be no atheist handbook...
UtahFan from Germany Saturday 8 December 2018, at 01:16 pm
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RE: Interesting response. How so? I think he described frequent attitudes, behaviors, and beliefs found in threads here on uf.n in the politics category.
AbsolUTE UTE Saturday 8 December 2018, at 02:40 pm
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Science isn't trying to replace religion. Zealots really need to get over themselves. (nm)
480ute Saturday 8 December 2018, at 12:58 pm
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480ute icon
And show me these atheists that are absolutely sure that god doesn't existence.
480ute Saturday 8 December 2018, at 01:03 pm
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Zeous icon
Look beyond the comparison of atheism with a more holistic view of the column. That is why I shared it.
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 07:19 pm
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Red Don icon
Anymore, I think organized religion is about making lots of money. (nm)
Red Don Saturday 8 December 2018, at 02:38 pm
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Zeous icon
True of many, if not most. There's money in atheism now as well. (short)
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 07:01 pm
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You going to take a position or just intimate and argue against those who respond to you? (nm)
Duhwayne Saturday 8 December 2018, at 05:51 pm
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Zeous icon
My position is I don't know. Moreso, there is and likely always will be a territory of "the unknown" to humanity. "God" lives in that realm, as does the atheist belief in no-god. Humans don't deal well with "the unknown", which is why religion is
Zeous Saturday 8 December 2018, at 10:07 pm
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Intellectually, you are a pussy. That's my opinion
Duhwayne Saturday 8 December 2018, at 11:11 pm
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Zeous icon
Says the child who only calls names and never makes arguments
Zeous Sunday 9 December 2018, at 10:04 am
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I know you are but what am I? Really? I didn't start this thread. Still don't know your view. TIA. (nm)
Duhwayne Sunday 9 December 2018, at 11:43 am
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Zeous icon
Yeah - really - you call names and I'll call you out over how weak of a response it is. Anyway - look back at my original response to your question - that actually is my stance, you just don't like it. Let me re-phrase it though, as a gesture in (loong)
Zeous Sunday 9 December 2018, at 01:52 pm
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Sometimes I get nostalgic for the old days
MadUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 08:53 pm
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Go Weeeeeeber! (nm)
SforkUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 06:25 pm
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NarfUte icon
Blast from the past watching Schramm's offense... (nm)
NarfUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 07:17 pm
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SforkUte icon
And it still sucks. (nm)
SforkUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 08:00 pm
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Maine's defense was stellar, reminded me of our team.
utefansince79 Friday 7 December 2018, at 09:52 pm
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Pac-12 Grades are in...
UtahFanSir Friday 7 December 2018, at 12:11 pm
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HoopUte icon
I would say that the fact that in spite of those key injuries we played competitively against UW in the title game is worth at least half a grade. Probably should be A-/B+ in my opinion. (nm)
HoopUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 04:05 pm
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At least the skirt's grade was accurate
utemanchris Friday 7 December 2018, at 04:41 pm
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Sprinkles the Bear icon
Seriously, that's what we are going with?
Sprinkles the Bear Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:08 pm
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SforkUte icon
“skirt's”? Why not refer to the guy as a “dick”? (nm)
SforkUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:13 pm
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Sprinkles the Bear icon
Because men are better than girls. Obvs. Get your mind right, Fork. (nm)
Sprinkles the Bear Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:25 pm
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SforkUte icon
I don’t want to live in this world. (nm)
SforkUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:32 pm
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Sprinkles the Bear icon
It's the people that have ruined it. (nm)
Sprinkles the Bear Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:36 pm
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I confess that I have belittled Sfork for wearing a skirt...... (nm)
Newbomb Turk Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:43 pm
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What have you got against men in kilts? (nm)
ExquisUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:55 pm
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He wasn't wearing a kilt. He was wearing a cheerleaders skirt. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Friday 7 December 2018, at 06:24 pm
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SforkUte icon
I feel pretty when I do.....if that’s wrong I don’t want to be right. (nm)
SforkUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 06:08 pm
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Larry Scott is more like the Trump of the PAC-12... (nm)
Riot West Friday 7 December 2018, at 05:17 pm
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Read an interesting perspective on the Holy War on Reddit. (long)
mokus Friday 7 December 2018, at 11:45 am
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good read thanks for posting that (nm)
FlyfishingUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 12:03 pm
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Red Don icon
I have an issue with ".....in a state where being a bastion of secular thinking was a difficult task for the first 100 years."
Red Don Friday 7 December 2018, at 12:50 pm
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UTAuley icon
Kind of addresses that in the article "...this is not a symbolic reminder of the past but reminder of the present and ongoing conflict between Mormon orthodoxy and secular life in the state." (nm)
UTAuley Friday 7 December 2018, at 01:20 pm
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Rocker Ute icon
Red Thunder (the cannon they fire at the games) is not a remanant from the pioneer era.
Rocker Ute Friday 7 December 2018, at 01:49 pm
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SforkUte icon
“Good” man? He sounds like a “great” one. (nm)
SforkUte Friday 7 December 2018, at 06:12 pm
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Ft. Douglas is the only fort in the country where the cannons faced the city. (nm)
pangloss Friday 7 December 2018, at 02:07 pm
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UtahFanSir icon
And where my father is buried. (nm)
UtahFanSir Friday 7 December 2018, at 06:21 pm
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The Fort Douglas cemetery is a great place for a somber visit - graves of soldiers from indian wars, WWI and WWII. German POWs from WWI and II. (nm)
pangloss Saturday 8 December 2018, at 04:42 pm
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LA Ute icon
And a great historic reminder of government overreaction to a perceived threat. (nm)
LA Ute Friday 7 December 2018, at 09:48 pm
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Protecting the overland mail route and keeping an eye on potential seccessionists during war time doesn't seem like much of an over-reaction to me.
Homer_Crimson Saturday 8 December 2018, at 02:10 am
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LA Ute icon
I disagree strongly but that’s OK. It was a decision by the government based on fear that most modern-day liberals would decry, especially if the subjects of the military action were not of white Northern European descent. (nm)
LA Ute Saturday 8 December 2018, at 10:48 am
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UtahFanSir icon
You have read Arrington's book, the Great Basin Kingdom, right? (nm)
UtahFanSir Saturday 8 December 2018, at 09:47 am
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LA Ute icon
Yep. (nm)
LA Ute Saturday 8 December 2018, at 10:45 am
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