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UTE BC icon
California is the badge of honor for the democrats!
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:28 pm
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execUTEioner icon
What state is the badge is honor for republicans? Mississippi? (nm)
execUTEioner Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:32 pm
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UTE BC icon
Lol. What’s wrong with Mississippi? I’ve never been. (short)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:36 pm
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It's hot, humid, flat, overgrown with kudzu, has no residential zoning or building code laws, has a poor education system, and the people speak an unintelligible dialect of English. (nm)
pangloss Monday 7 January 2019, at 03:12 pm
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any data ?
northernute Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:02 pm
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EUte icon
California has the highest state income tax rate, which Conservatives (or whatever they're called now) love to use as a springboard for their own made up "facts"
EUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:12 pm
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UTE BC icon
Here’s a start.
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:17 pm
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EUte icon
Lol. That's straight dollars. California has by far the largest population hence the highest welfare dollars spent.
EUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:20 pm
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UTE BC icon
This article disputes your assertions
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:24 pm
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Your article states that California’s poverty rate is close to average, and that the main factor is housing costs, which one could argue is a measure of California’s success. People want to live there, it’s an attractive place to live. (nm)
ExquisUte Monday 7 January 2019, at 04:52 am
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UTE BC icon
It mentioned housing costs as well as the tax burden of owning a house. (nm)
UTE BC Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:22 am
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California is Also the Least Educated...(link inside)
sacute Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:57 pm
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That has to be the most cherry picked article that doesn't even truly reflect on the topic of conversation here.
480ute Monday 7 January 2019, at 07:55 am
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SheeeeeUTE icon
This pretty much sums it up for me.
SheeeeeUTE Monday 7 January 2019, at 08:09 am
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UTE BC icon
Has anyone here been to California? I guess if you like the way that state is run we can chalk it up to different strokes for different folks. (nm)
UTE BC Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:24 am
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wannabeaute icon
Just spent eight days there in the Bay area. I lived in Orange County for 10 years before moving back to Utah. Here's what I saw last week:
wannabeaute Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:04 am
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UTE BC icon
A week ago in Southern California. I have to go about every other month all over that state.
UTE BC Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:15 am
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wannabeaute icon
10 years in OC, four in the Bay area.
wannabeaute Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:32 am
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UTE BC icon
so I’ve been going to the Bay are off and on for the past 20 years. What do you think of the changes specifically in San Fran.
UTE BC Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:39 am
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Oh man. Do you know the history of San Francisco? It's always been a wild and dangerous place. And drugs? Hell they practically invented them there in the 60's.
wannabeaute Monday 7 January 2019, at 10:55 am
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SheeeeeUTE icon
I guess vague opinions trump facts then. (nm)
SheeeeeUTE Monday 7 January 2019, at 11:15 am
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I own a house there and love it. (nm)
Red Don Monday 7 January 2019, at 06:31 pm
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if I were a federal employee that was furloughed or being "forced to work without pay" I'd be pissed. I suppose I would do what some of them are doing and working other jobs to pay bills etc.
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:47 pm
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UTE BC icon
Imagine if Schumer would just give 20% of the amount he was willing to give a Democrat President to BUILD A WALL. They would be employed tomorrow (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:54 pm
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Imagine, if Trump would just get Mexico to pay for the wall, as he repeatedly promised, they would be employed tomorrow. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:10 pm
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UTE BC icon
That was a dumb promise. It doesn’t however negate the NEED for the wall and the consequences that come from playing politics with it. (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:13 pm
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Yes it as a dumb promise. But he made it so I'm holding him to it.
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:20 pm
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UTE BC icon
I doubt Trump breaking that promise influenced your vote. That said, I guess you feel the same about Schumer, Obama and Hillary who all called for a wall and now are against it. Broken promises are the hallmark of American politics.
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:23 pm
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None of those are president now. Try to stay in the present. Your dear leader is in office. Own it. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:30 pm
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UTE BC icon
I already owned it. I said it was dumb. In this “present” thread. (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:37 pm
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Newbomb Turk icon
Good for you. But why did you bring up all those "liars" from the past then?
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:42 pm
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UTE BC icon
I brought them up to prove to you that no President has met your threshold of not breaking a promise.
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:46 pm
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Okay, for the last time. Dems are NOT against border security. They just believe that there are much better ways than a wall. I agree with them. You agree with Trump. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:53 pm
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UTE BC icon
The Dems are not for border security. They can’t even define their policy or how to implement one. (short)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:55 pm
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link or should we just take the word of the board's very own Hannity, Limbaugh and Bannon all rolled into one lovely package?
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:15 pm
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UTE BC icon
Lol. So you want me to provide a link to something that doesn’t exist?
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:17 pm
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try stop being a troll. and in your usual cowardly manner you edited your original post, tried to change topic etc trump and ute bc co cowards (nm)
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:20 pm
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UTE BC icon
I’m really not. I’m just giving my perspective- it’s unfortunate that it effects you so adversely
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:21 pm
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bullsh!t. (nm)
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:23 pm
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UTE BC icon
One example? (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:26 pm
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Newbomb Turk icon
More agents. Limited "fencing". Drones. And probably most importantly, e-verifying overstayed visas (that's how most of the illegals get here). Just not a 2000 mile wall.
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:21 pm
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UTE BC icon
We did it!!!!! We agree and that is exactly what Trump is presently asking for!!!! See you and I could open the government tomorrow! (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:29 pm
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SforkUte icon
This thread is so tiny and cute on my phone! (nm)
SforkUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:52 pm
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RE: if I were a federal employee that was furloughed or being "forced to work without pay" I'd be pissed. I suppose I would do what some of them are doing and working other jobs to pay bills etc.
Charlie Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:45 pm
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UTE BC icon
I don’t disagree. In the meantime I would suggest people look to the private sector for jobs. They are abundant now and don’t carry these risks. (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:49 pm
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RE: Private sector jobs also don't provide the job security that federal government jobs provide, nor the health benefits, the retirement benefits, etc. I'm lucky enough to work for one of the agencies that is not shut down. But I agree with others,
UtahMUSS Wednesday 9 January 2019, at 10:58 am
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ideally all 800,000 walk of the job. TSA shuts down, airports shut down, commerce comes to a grinding halt. lets say they all do that and find other jobs then when the government decides to reopen you've either got to rehire them all or train 800K
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:09 pm
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UTE BC icon
Is the wall immoral or does it not work? Cause if it doesn’t work it’s not immoral.
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:16 pm
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You lost all credibility when you said this: "as long as they get their illegal votes to pursue their ruling class take over of our country." I won't be involved in any more discussion in this thread. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:25 pm
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UTE BC icon
Sooo bummed (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:27 pm
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Rocker Ute icon
It actually CAN be immoral and not work. Plenty of instances in life just like that... attempted robbery, defecit spending during economic booms, lying to the American people... (nm)
Rocker Ute Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:35 pm
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UTE BC icon
If the wall doesn’t slow people from coming across the border. What is immoral about it?
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:37 pm
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Rocker Ute icon
Wastes taxpayer money for one. Unfairly targets people who may rightfully be fleeing adverse circumstances and political persecution.
Rocker Ute Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:27 pm
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Why do all the border agents want it? (nm)
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:47 pm
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link to "all the border agents want it?" just because trump got onstage with a couple of sycophants doesn't mean ALL the agents want it (nm)
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:49 pm
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They don’t (nm)
execUTEioner Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:27 pm
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UTE BC icon
True all don’t but...
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:34 pm
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your own link makes a distinction between the trump wall folly and specific areas that could use barriers.
execUTEioner Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:44 pm
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UTE BC icon
He’ Is prsently asking for that amount of wall. I agree we don’t need that much (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:53 pm
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execUTEioner icon
Where has trump presented the scaled back plans? Why did the trump admin only spend 6% of funds allocated to border security in the 17/18 budget? (nm)
execUTEioner Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:00 pm
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UTE BC icon
the amount requested is for a wall in specific places not the entire border. That would cost much more than $5 Billion and IMO not needed. (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:04 pm
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Ill ask again: where has the trump admin specified that they are now only seeking a scaled back version of the border wall only in strategic sections? (nm)
execUTEioner Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:07 pm
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UTE BC icon
In the present budget request. (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 09:12 pm
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Newbomb Turk icon
Article from the same source...
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:51 pm
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And I broke my own rule, dammit...... (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:55 pm
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UTE BC icon
I promise not to call you out! Lol (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:57 pm
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Maybe we should stop calling it a wall and start calling it a gate so those opposed will understand that we will open the gate, but close it when there is potential harm or abuse. (nm)
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:48 pm
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TheRealU icon
^^^ has never heard of ladders (nm)
TheRealU Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:10 pm
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GUBA icon
Or planes, or boats... (nm)
GUBA Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:55 am
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GUBA icon
Or tunnels (nm)
GUBA Monday 7 January 2019, at 09:55 am
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RE: Is the wall immoral or does it not work? Cause if it doesn’t work it’s not immoral. (short)
Big B Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:52 pm
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UTE BC icon
^^^^ Utefans.net poster of the year (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:57 pm
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ute bc is a troll. I have it on ignore. Now Hammer, while we disagree we can at least have a civil dialogue w/o the name calling etc. Ute bc, well conversing with it is like pissing into the wind, not recommended. (nm)
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:01 pm
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UTE BC icon
FFU and I go way back. He and I are going to have a beer soon. (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:03 pm
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SforkUte icon
That should be fun! (nm)
SforkUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:55 pm
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I have a feeling that congresswoman Oscadio Cortez is going to shake up the establishment in what I hope is a good way
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 06:23 pm
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My fear is that she’ll shake it up in the way that Venezuela was shook up by socialism. (nm)
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:06 pm
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she mentioned Sweden, Norway and somewhere else as her inspiration for healthcare, education etc. NO mention of Venezuela, so what is your fear based on?
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:18 pm
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"Trump was touting a tax plan for the middle class, suddenly crickets on that plan, it's disappeared? "
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:29 pm
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UTE BC icon
Why doesn’t Pelosi pass one? You may have to explain to her what it is. (nm)
UTE BC Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:32 pm
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i know, that's why I chose that as an example of his lying nature
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:33 pm
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The blackjack analogy is a good one. He would hit his 15 when the dealer has a 6 showing. He would draw a facecard and the dealer would get a 5 and the whole table gets screwed. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:38 pm
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How did we get onto Trump. I said nothing of Trump. (nm)
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:45 pm
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because her tax plan is the opposite of his and the GOP, ie make people pay their fair share close the loop holes etc (nm)
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:51 pm
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RE: I have a feeling that congresswoman Oscadio Cortez is going to shake up the establishment in what I hope is a good way
Charlie Sunday 6 January 2019, at 08:37 pm
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dear democrats, the first rule of conducting a comprehensive thorough investigation is NOT to tell the subject what you want to see in the media
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 04:40 pm
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Watergate era saying, "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up" (nm)
pangloss Sunday 6 January 2019, at 05:58 pm
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I suspect that is exactly it. (nm)
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 06:09 pm
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So, doing business in Russia is probable cause for a criminal investigation for 10+ years back?
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 06:28 pm
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The article says that they are investigating if there was money laundering, which is illegal. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 06:41 pm
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So there’s no evidence of potential money laundering other than Donald Trump doing business with Russians? (nm)
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 06:46 pm
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I don't know. Perhaps the investigation will reveal that (or not). But the point here is they are investigating possible money laundering. I get it, you think it's fake news.
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 06:53 pm
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If there are facts that support it. yes. Currently, there is no mentioned of any facts or reason to believe that there was money laundering, other than the free exchange of business.
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:03 pm
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I certainly don't know, but perhaps if he released his tax returns none of this would be necessary. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:06 pm
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Whataboutism: One of the reasons Chaffetz resigned is because he was counting on investigating Clinton for years. Once she lost, he had no reason to be there (passing laws to make the country a better place be damned). (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:09 pm
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The WAY that Trump is doing business with Russians was enough to seat a grand jury and appoint a special prosecutor. AND the grand jury for Muellers probe was just given an extension
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:05 pm
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I’m patiently waiting for any, any, any. I’m poised. (nm)
Hammer Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:12 pm
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there won't be a grand reveal ala trump. IF Mueller has a case he will lay it out patiently and methodically, every T crossed every I dotted
FlyfishingUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:21 pm
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So am I. My feeling (if obstruction,etc is found) is that the base will say it's fake, and the others will believe it. And Congress will do nothing based on the evidence. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 07:21 pm
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After BYUs blowout loss tonight and Utah's close loss to UA (short)
Wild Ute Sunday 6 January 2019, at 12:33 am
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They scored more points than we did. Next question? (nm)
ExquisUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 04:07 am
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Both teams aren’t good. (nm)
SforkUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 06:56 am
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I wish we had a fallback blame game like Zoobs do. With every loss they blame the lack of talent on the honor code.
The Thrill Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:01 am
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PAC12 refs. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:10 am
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The Thrill icon
There it is. How could I forget? (nm)
The Thrill Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:30 am
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Trump (nm)
SforkUte Sunday 6 January 2019, at 10:52 am
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The ghost of Jim Boylen...
UtahFan from Germany Sunday 6 January 2019, at 12:39 pm
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