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What this place needs is a chuckle.
Flyer Saturday 29 June 2019, at 11:03 am
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Still waiting. (nm)
SforkUte Saturday 29 June 2019, at 01:26 pm
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I hope you don't have to wait very long. (nm)
Flyer Saturday 29 June 2019, at 01:51 pm
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If you believe potus isn't just a puppet, then this is a good point
Zeous Friday 28 June 2019, at 09:57 pm
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I agree, it's a good point...
Ma'ake Saturday 29 June 2019, at 08:44 am
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With the significance and magnitude of the problems we face (global warming, income inequality, money in politics, runaway healthcare, permanent war state, etc, etc) I only care about policy. IMHO Bernie is on the right side of all of those ...
96GradAlum Saturday 29 June 2019, at 10:01 am
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You bring up a good point. Policy can only go so far... (long)
Ma'ake Saturday 29 June 2019, at 10:47 am
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"Obama was in high school in 1979."
Red Don Saturday 29 June 2019, at 12:24 pm
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Obama also failed to prosecute or even indict a single person in the frauds committed that caused the greatest swindle in history. He was a true man of the so-called elites, not of the people. (nm)
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:07 pm
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It doesn't work that way. The US Attorneys are largely independent. The president does not decide or influence who is charged or not charged. (nm)
pangloss Saturday 29 June 2019, at 03:16 pm
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So what? The executive isn't supposed to legislate either... nor is it in charge of the economy... but that doesn't stop people from cherry picking along partisan lines. So I agree the whole subject is pointless, generally, but
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 05:06 pm
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Obama's neglect of certain issues is where he failed as POTUS.
480ute Saturday 29 June 2019, at 06:02 pm
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Part of the problem we have now is we have a president who believes he can "prosecute" someone. (short)
Red Don Saturday 29 June 2019, at 05:17 pm
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Ok... other than socialism/communism has proven to be horrible policy everywhere it has been implemented. So... disagree that bernie is on the right side of policy.
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:02 pm
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RE: With the significance and magnitude of the problems we face (global warming, income inequality, money in politics, runaway healthcare, permanent war state, etc, etc) I only care about policy. IMHO Bernie is on the right side of all of those ...
Charlie Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:27 pm
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Essential read IMHO...
UtahFanSir Friday 28 June 2019, at 09:18 pm
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Normally, candidates pull harder left (or right for Republicans) in the primaries, then change toward the middle for the general election...
Ma'ake Friday 28 June 2019, at 09:51 pm
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What's wrong with Central America cleaning up their $#!+? They possess land that is tropical paradise. What's wrong with them? Why can't they improve their quality of life? Why should so many unskilled and ignorant have to move to the US to live (short)
Zeous Friday 28 June 2019, at 10:42 pm
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Here's an article that talks about the issues driving Central Americans northward...
Ma'ake Saturday 29 June 2019, at 08:33 am
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No, it won't be solved overnight, but neither does allowing or enabling or promoting more migration north. That makes two problems out of one.
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:21 pm
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What's wrong with Central America cleaning up their Shi∏? (loooong)
UtahFanSir Saturday 29 June 2019, at 10:27 am
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So you're saying government is the problem? (nm)
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:43 pm
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Wait, so you're saying that migration levels are way off their peak? Do you mean to say there is no crisis? (nm)
Duhwayne Saturday 29 June 2019, at 04:32 pm
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Duhwayne and Zeous, I’ve said next to nothing. Read and you too will be informed. (nm)
UtahFanSir Saturday 29 June 2019, at 05:49 pm
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How do you propose we get them to do that? At the end of the day this is our problem whether we like it or not. (nm)
480ute Saturday 29 June 2019, at 12:51 pm
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Disagree. You can't save people from themselves. It is their problem to deal with just like in Syria, Iraq, and Afganistan. If DC didn't see profit for the few in continuing to allow and promote illegal immigration, it wouldn't happen. Inability of
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:31 pm
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Now you're disagreeing with irrefutable facts?
480ute Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:49 pm
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Sure. Zero tolerance. I'd be 100% fine with labor camp for any caught, to pay for room and board and cost to patrol and cost to deport. Come legally, or not at all. (nm)
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 03:06 pm
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Let's take half of the $1.5 billion we give Israel every year and start infrastructure improvement and economic development. Let's do it the way the Chinese are doing it in Africa and South America by loaning the money, not giving it away to the top
UTEopia Saturday 29 June 2019, at 01:07 pm
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Agree. Voluntary basis, only if they request it. A country can be a $#!+hole 3rd world if it wants to be. There's a lot of charm and good in the 3rd world, and it isn't bad just because it's not the same as the US.
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 02:38 pm
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RE: What's wrong with Central America cleaning up their $#!+? They possess land that is tropical paradise. What's wrong with them? Why can't they improve their quality of life? Why should so many unskilled and ignorant have to move to the US to li
Charlie Saturday 29 June 2019, at 08:31 pm
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“Would your health care plan include health coverage for undocumented immigrants?”
The Thrill Friday 28 June 2019, at 12:56 pm
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Of course it's not accurate. But plenty of people believe it. You can see memes on Facebook all the time stating such tripe as "Why do illegals get free healthcare when our veterans are suffering?"
Newbomb Turk Friday 28 June 2019, at 01:07 pm
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Swivelheads...
Rocker Ute Friday 28 June 2019, at 01:21 pm
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Rob Portman 2013 flip on gay marriage after his son comes out (nm)
The Thrill Friday 28 June 2019, at 02:38 pm
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The Tea Party-types killed that bill because they wanted a strict seperation between the path to citizenship (which they do NOT want at all) and the border security aspect. I recall the Limbaugh/Hannity types screaming about that bill nonstop.
Puget Ute Friday 28 June 2019, at 05:05 pm
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RE: “Would your health care plan include health coverage for undocumented immigrants?”
Charlie Friday 28 June 2019, at 02:37 pm
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Basics of insurance to be functional and sustainable: users MUST pay in at a rate commensurate to their risk profile over time. High risk users who do not pay in are a destructive force and the insurance provider will go bankrupt. Period. (nm)
Zeous Friday 28 June 2019, at 05:52 pm
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I don't believe he's arguing for illegals getting free health insurance.
480ute Saturday 29 June 2019, at 07:15 am
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Correct. You don't punish thievery with reward of hand-out resources. Unless you see greater profit in rewarding the behavior than discouraging it. DC has rewarded it for 50+ years. (nm)
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 03:09 pm
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Simple answers work for simple minded people. However, all such questions are multi-faceted and hard to answer with a simple yes or no. (looong)
UtahFanSir Friday 28 June 2019, at 06:35 pm
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RE: Simple answers work for simple minded people. However, all such questions are multi-faceted and hard to answer with a simple yes or no.
Zeous Friday 28 June 2019, at 09:08 pm
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For a Christian society there isn’t a lot of Christianity going on. (nm)
The Thrill Friday 28 June 2019, at 10:19 pm
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How many immigrants have you personally sponsored and are currently living with you as dependents?
Zeous Friday 28 June 2019, at 10:47 pm
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No, that's not what happens when an American citizen walks into an emergency room. That visit may bankrupt them, but they will get treatment.
480ute Saturday 29 June 2019, at 07:21 am
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Scarcity is a real world phenomena. You think DC doesn't know exactly what the impact is of every additional illegal? They know, and they want it to continue. Why. Cui buono? (nm)
Zeous Saturday 29 June 2019, at 03:01 pm
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Ideology becomes irrelevant, at least to me, when human lives are at stake. That's not to say we shouldn't address the core problem, just saying compassion is the heart of a civilized society.
480ute Saturday 29 June 2019, at 05:11 pm
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Agree to disagree then. Compassion is important, but if it totally dominates then there is no balance. It is impractical and not pragmatic to make compassion the sole most important aspect driving each and every decision in society. Rule breakers
Zeous Sunday 30 June 2019, at 03:06 pm
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RE: Simple answers work for simple minded people. However, all such questions are multi-faceted and hard to answer with a simple yes or no. (long)
Charlie Sunday 30 June 2019, at 01:17 pm
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