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Crafty Ute icon
Without TDS we have nothing...nothing...nothing...if we don't have them. 1984 is best thing that happened to college football.
Crafty Ute Monday 18 June 2018, at 09:53 pm
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Dear BYU fans:
ironman1315 Monday 18 June 2018, at 10:41 pm
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RE: Dear BYU fans:
UTE R US Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:07 am
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The irony will be if things keep going as they are & the PAC 12 loses P5 status.
ocgreg Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 10:01 am
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Newbomb Turk icon
Sucks to be them. But that was always true. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Monday 18 June 2018, at 11:13 pm
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Puget Ute icon
Doesn't matter. Still having PAC-12 sex. For time and for all eternity. (nm)
Puget Ute Monday 18 June 2018, at 11:35 pm
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you must've been bored to go over there. We've failed you as your friends. Friends don't let friends go there (nm)
FlyfishingUte Monday 18 June 2018, at 11:42 pm
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Actually, I agree with the guy, mostly. Their lucky run in 1984 set the stage for strength of schedule being taken seriously...
Ma'ake Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 06:53 am
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Newbomb Turk icon
The move to being an independent was such a knee-jerk reaction. "If Utah thinks they are too good for the MWC, then we are too because we are a better program than Utah".
Newbomb Turk Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 07:16 am
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UtahFanSir icon
Utah fans are smug? Pot calling the kettle black. (long)
UtahFanSir Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:03 am
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The funniest part of all of this is that they keep boiling it all down to football success. If that were the case, Boise St. would have been invited instead of Colorado. Those are the simple minded ideas that make that 4-9 season so enjoyable. (nm)
mokus Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:29 am
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If tds is as great as they think, then why hasn't tds qualified for a bcs game or a new years day game? Hawaii, NIU and now USF has had better seasons than 1984. (nm)
UtesMuss1 Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 07:01 am
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RE: " But because they have been so smug about the whole thing." lol ... umm ... you wanna talk smug. Let's talk BYU fans before we got into the PAC. Paybacks are a bitch cooter nation! (nm)
96GradAlum Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 07:23 am
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Newbomb Turk icon
They are still smug. And they still have this unwarranted sense of entitlement. (nm)
Newbomb Turk Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 07:35 am
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TheJuggernaut icon
I loved him calling out Utah fans for being smug....in the middle of a post reeking of smug...
TheJuggernaut Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 08:43 am
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If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, a zoob still thinks it has something to do with BYU. (nm)
alUmnUs Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:56 am
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Riot West icon
The Hague was filled with an orchestra of "I was just following orders" and may be again.
Riot West Monday 18 June 2018, at 03:39 pm
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Zeous icon
What is so different about this particular case vs the cases where children are separated from their parents as status quo in this country?
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:03 pm
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Puget Ute icon
The first four items you mentioned would be accompanied with a court order, and almost always a conviction prior to removing the children. It is astonishing how quickly we gave up the 4th Amendment.
Puget Ute Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:14 pm
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most states would also attempt to find relatives etc to care for said children.
FlyfishingUte Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:23 pm
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I agree with you - if "we" wanted to keep them out, we'd help build their economies. Ironically enough, many many countries are far better now than 100 years ago through trade anyway. But you can't force them to treat each other well, imo.
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:32 pm
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Yeah- and that's where the whole legal status thing comes into play (on the first four), for better or worse
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:40 pm
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Here's a new one in this story posted this evening: child taken from parents for coughing
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 10:27 pm
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480ute icon
Seems to be plenty of outrage over that locally. I mean, that's a state issue whereas this is federal, so there's quite the difference. (nm)
480ute Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:31 am
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Link to your statement below or is that just more Zeous conjecture/opinion? by state paid employees are you talking about daycare? school?
FlyfishingUte Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:27 pm
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Zeous icon
Yes exactly, government schools with government paid people teaching government curriculum (nm)
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:34 pm
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Somalia has no govt laws interfering in the citizens business. Have you considered relocating? Doesn't it have a nice tropical climate ? Maybe you should try that (nm)
FlyfishingUte Monday 18 June 2018, at 09:20 pm
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Zeous icon
There are others I'd go to before that hell hole. That doesn't change the apparent double standard though in how people treat government separating child from parent in some situations differently than in others. That's the point. Why the double
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 10:07 pm
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it's the optics. You've got people that are coming here at significant risk to try and live the American dream
FlyfishingUte Monday 18 June 2018, at 11:37 pm
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Zeous icon
So if they are fleeing such horrible situations, then they are still better off, right? So what's the big #%!@ing deal?
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 11:43 pm
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The optics, that trump is trying to use it as leverage, trying thlane democrats and using children as pawns because he doesn't know how to govern
FlyfishingUte Monday 18 June 2018, at 11:52 pm
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Zeous icon
I know kids who've been in dcfs custody and it ain't no picnic. A cage might be better in some cases. I don't buy the humanitarian argument at all because it's not universally applied by those making it.
Zeous Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 12:03 am
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480ute icon
Logical fallacy.
480ute Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:00 am
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Zeous icon
Yeah, actually it does if they are trying to claim politicla asylum. Furthermore, the precedent set by how we treat people already here plays a huge role that nobody in this thread has yet had the balls or the ability to address.
Zeous Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:30 am
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480ute icon
The issues that you've mentioned have been discussed ad nauseam over the years.
480ute Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 09:43 am
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Puget Ute icon
grapevine is on a roll again. (nm)
Puget Ute Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:34 pm
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You know it's bad when even Mia Love is opposing trump
FlyfishingUte Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:51 pm
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Zeous icon
No, not really. Politicians are attention whores first and foremost, are they not?
Zeous Monday 18 June 2018, at 06:55 pm
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Laura Bush?
ocgreg Monday 18 June 2018, at 07:39 pm
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SubstiUTE icon
Crimes against humanity. (short)
SubstiUTE Monday 18 June 2018, at 10:14 pm
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Riot West icon
And even SHE finds this revolting!
Riot West Tuesday 19 June 2018, at 02:39 am
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