Being ranked #23...I think it is fair. Maybe a little bit low, but very fair. We beat #3 USC, we held our own vs #4 Washington and #17 Colorado...BUT we did lose to Cal and Oregon.
I'm happy with our season. Not satisfied, but happy. We are living in the golden age of Utah football. There will come a time in our lives...ok, maybe my life (some of you are OLD), when we will have a coach that runs this program into the ground and we will wish for 6 wins.
I'm going to enjoy this run we are on...especially with next's year's schedule. There are six potential losses on the that schedule.
What a year! Joe Williams was a terrible then amazing story. Troy Williams was solid for his first year here. Luafatasaga came on strong and Hansen lived up to the billing. Our OL received a lot more experience for next year than originally thought. Garrett Bolles was a beast. And Isaac Asiata...what a pro. What a man. If you were to design the perfect man, it may just be Isaac Asiata.
Any year we end up ranked is a great year (for reference, those people haven't been ranked in 7 years. lol).
This year should be an A to an A-, but due to the collapse I give this year a very, very solid B+.
It was posted before that if missionaries was such a huge advantage, BYU would be winning a lot more than they are right now.
by Ute2004 2017-01-10 16:11:43
The obvious fallacy in this argument is that missionaries that can actually play are a small percentage of total football players.
BUT, missionaries are a big advantage for BYU and Utah and whoever else uses them. Missionaries are men playing a boy's sport. They are bigger, stronger, thicker. Would Steve Tui'kolovatu start at USC as a 21 year old JR or 22 year old SR? Probably not. BUT, as a 25 year old SR, he is an instant starter at USC.
Here is my retort to that hypothesis:
How many games would BYU win every year if they didn't have any returned missionaries on their team?
It is a HUGE advantage for BYU. Like I mentioned below, a 25 year old two star OL/DL is equal to a 3-4 star 20 year old OL/DL in a lot of cases just because of how much more mature a 25 year old's body is.
The other obvious issue is the way a mission brainwashes you (and it does and to argue otherwise is silly). How many of their best players have been returned missionaries that actually started out at other schools?
If BYU lost returned missionaries from their disposal, they would turn into a pretty average MWC team really fast.
Returned missionaries might not be a big advantage for certain schools, but to BYU, the advantage is HUGE, because without returned missionaries, their program would fade away into irrelevancy overnight.
Man, there is a clear top 3 in the PAC-12: Arizona, Oregon and UCLA...maybe USC as well.
by Ute2004 2017-01-05 22:02:00
The biggest question is how does the next group shake out? We need to be the best of the rest to make the tournament. We need to do really, really well vs the rest of the PAC-12. Then, win a game or two in the tournament. I think we can do it.
P5 teams with the same number of wins the last 4 years as Utah:
9 - Baylor
10 - Georgia
So, the last three years, Utah is AT WORST, the 11th best program in the country.
Pretty damn fantastic if you ask me. Pretty fucking fantastic in fact.
Imagine if Whitt can improve the offense with Taylor?
P5 teams with less wins than Utah the last three years:
I never saw Whitt. He told me to go to work and I worked. He'd talk to me about situations during the game, if he liked the tempo or whatnot, but every coach does that. During the week, Whitt left me alone. I've not heard he treats anyone else differently.
On Saban/Whitt's philosophy of protecting the defense:
Defense wins championships. I've heard that Saban tells his offense, "just don't screw it up." It's the smart way to coach. It's the smart way to win games. If your offense protects your defense, you will win games.
Chow on Lane Kiffin:
My god. Someone tell Kiffin to just keep your mouth shut.
BYU Football 2011-Present. The University of Utah was invited to the Pac12 in 2010. As a result, BYU threw a fit because they weren't invited and went Independent to try and prove equal footing. Now the highlight of Independence is being considered a P5 opponent by a few major conferences & being an ambassador (whatever that means) in college football. While going back to the MWC would offer so much more to the school, fans & administrators try to put on a show that Independence is the bees knees.
Man, what the heck happened last night? No rebounding and no defense won't get you far in life.
by Ute2004 2016-12-23 08:17:26
I don't know if I've seen such a poor effort since K has been here. It was BAD. Also, why didn't we offer Childs? Man, that was a miss, even if he is nothing more than a bench player. Jakob is nothing.
Holy cow, we were terrible. I am not optimistic at all.
1 - Bowl prep gives you extra practices (there are no limits to how many or how few practices you hold. You can only do 20 hours a week and four hours a day). Spring ball limits you to 15 practices. That means that bowl prep practices can actually be the same if not more prep time than spring ball. That is HUGE. So, I expect some big jumps from certain players.
2 - Zach Moss. I'd like him to get 20 carries this game. He should be fully healthy by now. Let him run. Let's get him ready to be the MAN next year. Give Joe Williams about 10 carries.
3 - Troy Williams. A bad MCL tear usually takes 4-6 weeks to heal. Williams should be as close to 100% as he has been all year. I expect to see a much, much better QB out there. A true dual threat guy.
4 - ARod/Harding. I don't know who the frack calls plays or how they do it, but I expect a big jump in these guys. The team will be healthy.
5 - Smith, CB. Let's see what this big boy can do. He is a younger McGill/Rowe in our system. Let the transformation from WR to NFL CB begin.
6 - Luafatasaga. He was incredible the last couple games. I want to see him go from everywhere guy to playmaker guy. Let's see him channel his inner Paul. I'd like to see a TO from him this game.
7 - Hansen. Put Hansen at LB'er the whole game. Let Fogal play FS and move Marcus to SS. If Marcus stays next year, he will play SS. Let's see what he can do there.
Indiana is a tough, physical team. BUT, we are much more talented than they are, and they play our style of football. IF JC guys need a year to improve and take a big jump after spring ball and IF ARod/Harding are getting better and IF Troy is healthy....
My Owls lost their head coach to Baylor. Sucks to be a mid major. Temple was getting rolling and now they have to start all over again.
by Ute2004 2016-12-06 10:05:06
I loved Temple's offense. Temple is what Utah could be if Whitt ever decided to play offense. Tough, hard hitting defense, an offense that was physical but used a lot of under center which allows you to run play action off the run very effectively.
I wonder how he will do recruiting there. One thing that no one talks about is Briles coached high school football, so he had connections up the wazzu and could find all those diamonds in the rough in the 1,000+ Texas high schools.
Why I wouldn't be surprised if only Marcus Williams leaves early:
by Ute2004 2016-12-03 09:52:18
1 - I outlined the money below. Marcus, Garrett, Kylie, Lowell all have first round potential.
2 - Marcus is an athletic freak. He should test out amazing at the combine, which will help his draft stock. He will and should leave early. Go get paid my friend.
3 - Lowell's stock has slipped a little. I think people were expecting Star, and Lowell was amazing, but he wasn't Star level. I bet his draft grade comes back as a 2nd rounder or go back to school.
I'd give Lowell a 50/50 shot at coming back.
4 - Garrett Bolles. He has two bad strikes and one amazing strike. His technique SUCKS. It is TERRIBLE. BUT, he is so athletic and such a FREAK, that he is still amazing. And he has his past. It is very checkered, and because of that, I could see his stock slipping.
I'd lean towards Bolles coming back, because he has first round talent, he can clean up his footwork and become a much better pass blocker, and he can show the NFL that his past is in the past.
If he leaves early this year, he could slip due to his past and footwork.
If he comes back and cleans up his technique, he might be a top 3 pick.
That is no guaranteed money, a 4 year, 2.5 million dollar deal vs a 25 million dollar FULLY GUARANTEED deal.
That is money you come back for.
5 - Kylie Fitts - he is not drafted right now due to his injury. If he comes back, he will be drafted and may get up into the second round territory.
He comes back.
It wouldn't shock me if Lotulelei, Bolles and Fitts all return next year.
Why Ohio State will be left out if Alabama, Clemson, Washington and Penn St win out.
by Ute2004 2016-11-28 18:42:19
Here is the criteria in ranking the teams:
When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
Strength of schedule
Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)
Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)
Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, Clemson and Washington are all comparable.
Ohio State won't have a Championship.
SOS will be comparable, especially after everyone plays one more game.
Head to head...well, Ohio State lost already.
Comparative outcomes, Ohio State and Washington both blew out Rutgers.
If you go by the Playoff Committee's criteria, Ohio State needs someone to lose to get into the playoffs.
Here's the crazy thing: If Washington, Penn St and Clemson win and Alabama loses, you could argue that Alabama should be left out in favor of Ohio State. Ohio State will have the better win, Oklahoma will be ranked higher than USC, and both will have one loss.
Our LB'ers will be much better. This is the last position group to catch up from the MWC days. We lucked out that Norris ended up being so amazing and Paul came from Erickson. We have lost 3? players to injury from that position.
by Ute2004 2016-11-21 18:14:44
That being said, we return Tauteoli, Luafatasaga, Davr Hamilton, Thompson, and quite possibly Chase Hansen next year.
We are fine at LB after this year.
It just sucks that we don't have Masina or Hooker or that freaking Tui'kolovatu left then Fitts was hurt so we weren't able to slide Mokofisi out to DE and move Pita T to LB (his position in the NFL if he makes it).
If we have one or two of those three players this year, our LB'er situation is completely different.
There is a reason why the coaching staff wish no fortune or success on Tui'kolovatu. He screwed Utah over big time, after Utah kept him eligible and helped him become such a good DT.
That loss may have been our biggest loss of the year.
Total Defense: 10th overall
Rushing Defense: 1st overall.
They give up 116 yards per game rushing. Average 3.5 yards per carry.
Pass Defense: 12th.
Conference only stats:
Total Defense: 11th
Rush Defense: 3rd
Pass Defense: 12th.
Not too bad with the rush defense. Their pass defense is awful. Let's look into the rush defense a little more:
Cal ran the ball 47 times for a 4.3 ypc and 159 yards. Not too bad.
USC ran the ball 33 times for a 4.8 ypc and 157 yards.
UCLA ran the ball 23 times for -1 yard. Wow.
Colorado ran the ball 52 times with a 6.1 ypc and 315 yards.
WSU ran the ball 19 times for -52 yards.
Oregon ran the ball 46 times for a 5.3 ypc average and 245 yards.
My point? Their rush defense is a myth. It is not indicative of how good they are. When teams committed to the run, they ran the ball effectively vs ASU. When teams passed the ball 100 times and took sacks from that blitzing defense, it made their run defense look a whole lot better.
USC, Colorado, Cal and Oregon ran the ball for these averages:
44 carries a game.
219 yards per game.
5 yards a carry.
We will run the ball tonight, and we will be very good at it. Especially if Moss is healthy. If Moss is healthy, it wouldn't shock me if both Williams and Moss were close to 100 yards.
ASU will bring the heat. They will try to stop the run and hit Troy. This game will come down to ARod going back to his MWC days, pulling out the Jerome Brooks-quick toss to the WR plays. Let Butler-Byrd get the ball in space and make something happen. So some quick slants with Patrick. Maybe even a couple max protect, two route pass plays where we send B-B across the middle of the field and Patrick on a post route. We can/should beat them easily, but this is the type of game (see Arizona last year) where we seem to let a vastly inferior team stick around.
And Scalley needs to dust off the Arizona game plan. He was fantastic vs Arizona. Do that again. Do the 3 down linemen-hybrid defense again. Let Pita T play some OLB, where he is much better rushing the QB.
I'm so freaking glad there is football tonight. It feels like it has been forever.
So, Nebraska is ranked #10 with one loss. We were ranked #17. Shows you how little the "experts" know and how #%!@ing lazy they are at their jobs. Nebraska is currently getting worked over by Ohio State, while it took Washington getting some terrible
by Ute2004 2016-11-05 21:39:40
calls in their favor for them to beat us.
How much do you want to bet that Nebraska will be ranked higher than us come Monday?
Michigan's best win: Wisconsin, a two loss P5 school. Their OOC was Hawaii, UCF, Colorado. Colorado is a decent team and ranked right now.
Washington's best win: Utah, a two loss P5 school. Their OOC was Rutgers, Idaho, Portland State. No team as good as Colorado on there.
Now, Texas A&M: Their OOC is PV A&M, New Mexico St and UTSA. They have by FAR the worst OOC schedule. Oh, what about UCLA you say? I don't count that as an OOC game for one simple reason: Michigan and Washington both play 9 conference games. A&M only plays 8. So, UCLA becomes their defacto 9th conference game, you know, to even up the schedules.
At the end of the year, Michigan will have played 10 P5 schools. Washington will have played 10 P5 schools. If Michigan and Washington both make their conference championship game, both will have played 11 P5 schools. Texas A&M? It looks like they will end up playing a whopping 9 P5 schools. Yet, the committee thinks they have somehow done more to earn a playoff spot over Washington.
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