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    Boise State drops wrestling, adds baseball

    by SoCalPat
    2017-04-18 17:23:08

    They were an affiliate member of the Pac-12 for wrestling. And now the Pac-12 is down to five teams -- I think you have to have six teams to field a league at D-1, but I could be wrong. I'm far from a wrestling expert, but it seems like the league is in the market to add another team. Maybe someone will bring wrestling back? Who knows.

    BSU adding baseball is good for Utah, since we don't have many choices past BYU and Utah Valley for mid-week games during conference play. I'm hopeful that the 5-hour bus ride isn't a deterrent to getting Boise on the schedule every year.

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    How would you rate our individual sports within our program after nearly 6 years of Pac-12 play?

    by SoCalPat
    2017-04-17 09:21:11

    Only the most cursory of research done for this. Totally open as to how this list should be different. I omit skiing because it's a co-ed sport for purposes of NCAA competition and Title IX. Again, any and all arguments for different positioning welcome, especially for the Olympic sports.

    Men's sports

    1. Football.

    2. Baseball. (I still can't believe we're defending Pac-12 champs in this sport. That counts for a lot -- some of you might say I'm counting it for too much.)

    3. Basketball.

    4. Swimming/Diving.

    5. Tennis

    6. Golf. (The only undisputed positioning among men's sports)

    Women's sports

    1. Softball

    2. Gymnastics

    3. Volleyball

    4. Soccer

    5. Swimming/Diving

    6. Basketball (There are a lot of valid reasons why this is the one program that was better off in the MWC/WAC, but the biggest one is Elaine Elliott. If there's a program that can rocket up this list in either gender, it's this one)

    7. Tennis

    8. Cross-country

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    Things I hope are done to improve the site that may or may not already been mentioned

    by SoCalPat
    2017-04-03 10:43:21

    1. You wanna reach out to some of the old UF.N vets, allow for easy link sharing to Twitter (it appears there's something along those lines already here for Facebook). I know many of them and myself follow each other on Twitter, and there's been no small amount of lamenting over the direction the site took. I think they're willing to give things another shot.

    2. Eliminate the star system. I can say with 100 percent certainty that it drove my message board persona to places I wish it didn't. It also discourages retaliation against someone who doesn't like what you post.

    3. Compartmentalize the site. Please, already. Put the nonsense where it belongs. Keep politics in its own sphere. You can get away with very little in terms of moderation if certain subjects have their own space.

    <jumping off soapbox>

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    I'm back

    by SoCalPat
    2017-04-03 09:31:51

    If LA, Rocker and ExecUTEioner are behind this, they have my support in making this site the premier go-to message board for Ute fans.

    Many of us here go way back. Most of us are on good terms with one another through other social media sites. Ain't gonna run from the fact that I've ruffled some feathers over the years. Not gonna say I've totally mellowed, but I simply don't have the time (or energy) for a lot of the message board fights that consumed me (and I suspect, many of you) at some time over the last several years.

    I also encourage all of the other old-timers to give the board another shot. And vice-versa. You know who they are, and they know who they are. No need to discuss names and why they've stayed away and get everything all clique-ish -- that's one thing that played a role in dividing this site.

    If you're reading this and haven't participated in a long time, please reconsider your stance. There are other boards out there that are configured much better as to avoid hot-button topics, and I have all the faith in LA, Rocker and Ex that they'll do what's necessary to make UF.N fun, informative and civil. We all share a role in making the board fulfill all three of those goals.

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    We should get an idea pretty quickly of Erickson's influence

    by SoCalPat
    2013-02-11 10:49:44

    As bad as our production was last year, our tempo was even worse. I can't help but think there's a strong correlation between the two. And I don't see DE going over film with Brian and saying, "You know, it's genius how we're letting the play clock run down to 2 seconds or less on every play."

    We don't need to be Oregon, nor do I expect to be by a long shot, but keeping defenses on their toes is something we can move toward fairly quickly with this hire.

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    Love the Erickson hire. It goes against all the complaints we've had about Kyle and his methods for hiring assistants.

    by SoCalPat
    2013-02-11 10:30:18

    So there's really no need to complain here, and it appears most of us are in line with this hire.

    All we need is for Wilson to take the next step and we'll have no worse than an average offense. Erickson coming on board is just as much an endorsement of the QB position more than anything else -- he believes we have material for him to work with. With our defense, that can win us a lot more games in the Pac-12.

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    Erickson would be a phenomenal pickup. I'm all for it.

    by SoCalPat
    2013-02-05 20:40:10

    And since his recruiting duties will be minimal, all of you self-loathers who fear Dennis is going to deliver us to Death Penalty's door (thereby preventing you from playing the class and integrity card on par with your BYU buddies) can relax. This has all the makings of a great hire that will pay immediate dividends.

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    Blaine Taylor fired today

    by SoCalPat
    2013-02-05 13:31:51

    I had no idea Old Dominion was doing so poorly -- just as bad (worse) than we were last year.

    Strange days indeed

    http://deadspin.com/5981875/two-weeks-aft er-bizarre-radio-show-appearance-odu-baske tball-coach-blaine-taylor-fired?utm_campai gn=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source= deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

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    Lefty on 18, birdie gives him a 59

    by SoCalPat
    2013-01-31 13:22:37

    Just left birdie putt about 2 inches short on 17.

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    Quite frankly, we deserve to suck in basketball ...

    by SoCalPat
    2013-01-31 11:13:41

    ... when one person claims it's an indefensible position to want Marshall Henderson on your team/as a teammate and several agree.

    I guess if you don't like going undefeated and winning a national title at one level, then helping lead a team whose sole distinction in college hoops is being on the wrong end of one of the most famous plays in college basketball history into the Top 25 and challenging for a league title in one of the most prestigious leagues in the country, then yes, it's indefensible to have someone who wins as much as Henderson in your program. Not to mention all of that unwanted national attention heaped upon your program. Yeah, that stuff sucks.

    There's something to be said about self-loathing, subconsciously wanting to out-BYU BYU in the all-important matters of class and our current place within the basketball world, but I've vented enough for today.

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    Kyle is being very pro-active in looking for ways to help the offense get better. Take it to the bank.

    by SoCalPat
    2013-01-25 08:52:54

    We've had several heavy hitters get a look-see of sorts. These are people who are largely familiar with the program and with Utah, and I would be thrilled with any one of them. I have renewed faith in Kyle to get this matter fixed.

    There is good news to come, people.

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    So, what if we're not an NCAA Tournament team in two years?

    by SoCalPat
    2013-01-14 22:47:51

    I get a kick that such a progression is assumed, especially in light of a five-game losing streak vs. D-1 opponents both feared and folly. Ditto for codered's assumption that scorers will drop from the sky. Knock yourselves out, but I figured most of us would have learned against being overly optimistic from lessons learned this fall. Call me crazy for not blindly buying in.

    What if we're not an NCAA Tournament team in Year 4 under Larry? He has a five-year contract. Are we going to extend his contract without an NCAA Tournament appearance? Would he deserve to be extended. Would we extend him for making the CBI (or better?) in Year 3. Would Hill be foolish enough to let Larry coach Year 5 as a lame duck coach?

    So before I can read any tea leaves that involve the NCAA Tournament under our current regime, I gotta see if we can break double digits in wins vs. D-1 teams in a season. I was real optimistic of doing that pre-Northridge. Five straight losses later, I have my doubts.

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    How I see the Pac-12 trending for 2013

    by SoCalPat
    2013-01-04 10:06:43

    1. Oregon. Losing Kelly seems like a fait accompli but the talent (and money) is still there. Maybe some NCAA sanctions minimize what the Ducks can achieve goal-wise, but this is still a top 10 team. Trending: Treading water

    2. Stanford. The Cardinal lost their greatest head coach and QB (Elway was never a two-time Heisman runner-up) in successive seasons and were one blown official's decision from playing for a national title this year. Hard for a top 5 team to say it hasn't hit its ceiling, but it applies in Palo Alto. Trending: Upward

    3. Washington. Not sure if there's been a harder team to peg in the league since expansion. It beat Stanford, yet lost to Washington State. Until proven otherwise, I can't see this team winning more than 8 games. Trending: Treading water.

    4. Cal. A new coaching regime should provide immediate benefits. Trouble is, what's your definition of immediate? Is it one year (Arizona, ASU) or two (Washington State, see below)? My guess is that it's one year in Cal's case, which has been about underachieving rather than a lack of resources. Trending: Upward

    5. Oregon State. As unlucky as the Beavers were in 2011, they were equally as fortunate in 2012. I see at least three games (Arizona, UCLA, Utah) in which it was fortunate to come out with a W. They'll win at least 7 next year, but they won't be a fixture in the top 15 like they were this year. The second half of the Texas game was an early indicator of what 2013 will be like. Trending: Downward.

    6. Washington State. I'm a believer in Mike Leach, despite rumors to the contrary that he wanted out of Pullman after one year. The biggest drawback for 2013 is that it misses Colorado and is on the wrong end of the 5-4 split. But three of the four home games (OSU, ASU and Utah) are winnable, and the non-con is cushy (Auburn, Southern Utah, Idaho). Anything less than six wins is a massive failure for WSU. Trending: Upward

    7. USC. A reverse edition of OSU. Troy was better than expected in 2011, then couldn't meet expectations in 2012. I have serious doubts about Kiffin as HC and this team loses a ton of talent. That said, it's still USC, and while Kiffin probably loses his job for going 7-5 again, the expectations should be lowered. Trending: Downward.

    8. Utah. The most predictable team in the league since expansion. It won't beat anyone of note and will beat the teams its supposed to beat, and with mixed results (2011 CU is a huge outlier here). It's good for one pillar-to-post whupping a year (2011 Cal, 2012 ASU), but no more. The difference between Utah and a team like WSU is that the schedule gets significantly tougher by adding Oregon and Stanford. It loses some key cogs and still has some unanswered questions at some key positions. Like Washington, I'll believe in improvement when I see it. Trending: Treading water.

    9. UCLA. I think it's a foregone conclusion that the Bruins will be favored to win the South, but I think the gap between the Bruins and the rest of the division is enormous. The Baylor loss will stick in the minds of many, but to me, UCLA would be a darkhorse national title contender if all games were played on a neutral field. As it is, it has Stanford, Oregon and USC on the road, and is on the wrong end of the 5-4 split. Still, I'll be shocked if the Bruins aren't playing (again) in the Pac-12 title game, not to mention improve on its 9-5 record this year. Trending: Upward.

    10. Arizona. The worst record in college football is 7-6 because it tells so many wrong stories so many times. I think 'Zona's mark is cause for celebration, since it easily could have been much better. And in 2013, it has the easiest league schedule in spite of being on the wrong end of the 5-4 split (no Stanford, Oregon and UCLA at home, and Cal/Colorado on the road). The non-con is cushy (UNLV, UTSA and a likely FCS game). I'd be shocked if Arizona didn't win at least 8 regular season games next year. Trending: Upward

    11. Arizona State. Another tough team to peg. This has gotten wordy, so lets go with the Washington-Utah model of we'll believe this team is better when we see it. Trending: Treading water

    12. Colorado. The Buffs are at least two years from being bowl eligible, and while the wins might not come this year, the improvement will be noticeable under Mike McIntyre. Any time a team doubles its win total, it's a good thing, and CU might triple its count to three. Trending: Upward.

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    20 years ago today, my best day as a sports fan

    by SoCalPat
    2013-01-03 11:09:53

    What was said then

    What was said today

    Watch it here

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    Giac lost a ton of games by 5 points or less. Boylen lost too many games to clearly inferior opponents. Larry?

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-22 10:11:43

    Three of our four losses his year came with double digit leads in the second half. One came on the road against our rival and the other two came at home wih what isn't unreasonable to say we're insurmountable leads.

    That shit has to stop now.

    I've seen nothing but the final score and the halftime score. I will consider myself more fortunate than those of you who watched it and abstain from further comment. Yes, I'm pissed off

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    The first call I make for a DC if I'm Kyle ...

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-19 08:44:50

    http://www.unlvrebels.com/sports/m-footbl /mtt/williams_jd00.html

    Past experience at Utah, check

    Past experience in PAC 12, check

    Proven track record as defensive coordinator, check (hey, it's UNLV)

    Outside of Kyle's "inner circle", check

    I would be thrilled if JD came aboard. Having two black coordinators would also create some positive interest around the program as well

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    Didn't know this: Utah beat a 9-win team this year?

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-17 22:34:26

    They've even got their bowl reps counting Poppinga victories. Hell, why not just throw Utah in there and call TDS a 10-win team already.

    We think 7-5 is really kind of a 9-3 record.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865568 907/BYU-football-BYU-vs-SDSU-is-dream-matc hup-for-Poinsettia-Bowl.html?pg=2

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    IMO, there is no suitable replacement or excuse for not playing BYU. But if we're not playing BYU, playing Fresno is almost as good as it gets

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-14 09:12:49

    I'm a believer in playing where you recruit. And playing exclusively at home isn't enough to lock down the state of Utah. I would prefer that we have either USU or BYU on the schedule every year, and beating BYU is significantly more meaningful than beating USU.

    That said, Fresno is in our recruiting backyard of California, and there is plenty of talent that comes out of the San Joaquin Valley every year. (I also think this is the final nail in the coffin when it comes to anything more than a token presence in Texas. We simply do not have the resources to recruit the state, California AND Texas hard and successfully.)

    We've got this two-year hiatus, and play-BYU proponents like myself have to live with it and hope their absence on the schedule is temporary. But playing Fresno is a best-available alternative. If we're looking at the opponent's pedigree and putting recruiting value into the mix, probably the only school that would've rated better would be UNLV. (It's a de facto home game for us, and Sin City has been very good to Utah over the years in producing players for us)

    Also, for the no-way-in-hell side of the fence when it comes to playing BYU, if you think not playing them is suddenly going to make your lives more peaceful, you obviously don't know our rival at all. If two BCS bowl wins/perfect seasons and the Pac-12 invite didn't shut them up, what exactly will? Oh yes ... maybe if you didn't engage Zoob trolls in their rhetoric, ignored BYU fan boards and comment sections of the Trib and D-News, your college football life would probably be a little more peaceful.

    Because if you're expecting plaudits and congratulations from them, I don't know what to tell you, other than you might want to at least change your current address to Planet Earth.

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    If Buzz Williams wants it, we damn sure should want it too

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-05 23:07:31

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketbal l/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21281510/ majerus-teams-can-honor-the-man-by-organiz ing-games-against-each-other

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    This is what impressed me most about tonight's result and to a similar degree, Larry

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-05 22:53:34

    It's real easy to put too much pressure on yourself to perform well in these kinds of situations. My most memorable situation to this was in Giac's first year. We went up to Wyoming when it celebrated 100 years of Cowboy basketball. They brought out all their stars and made a real big deal of their history.

    Which was fine, but the players aren't dumb. They wanted to show all those great Wyoming players that they were carrying the torch for a new generation.

    And then Utah opened the game on a 16-0 run, led by as many at halftime and doubled the lead in the second half before winning by 35. Jonas Langvad was on fire, scoring a career-high 19 points. (We had a similar "celebration of history" game against SDSU in Jimmy's first year where we went scoreless for something like the first 9 minutes of the game, but thankfully we rallied to win that one).

    With all the attention on Rick, it would've been real easy for our players to be overwhelmed and fixated on playing above their ability. It's not rare for that kind of mentality to backfire bigtime; that we played at the level we did should be seen for the bang-up job Larry did in keeping the team focused.

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    Thank you Larry, thank you players for representing well in what qualified as a "must win " game

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-05 22:00:31

    We needed something to feel legitimately good about. For me our earlier wins just meant we weren't as horrible as last year. Tonight gave me the hope I hoped to see (but feared I never would) in a way I never would have guessed beforehand.

    Rarely in the last 6-7 years have I felt good entering the BYU game. I am legitimately excited to see how they fare against them. It's way too early to start raising expectations for this season, but a win in Provo would be a strong sign of a rarity among Utah teams ... namely, one that arrives ahead of schedule

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    It's December, so that means it's time for SEC schools with coaching vacancies to throroughly embarrass themselves by going after coaches they have no shot at getting

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-04 09:36:17

    Three years ago, it was Tennessee with Kyle (and possibly this year with Gruden).

    Last year, Vandy couldn't close the deal on Gus Mahlzahn.

    And now Auburn made moves for Rich-Rod and Mora. Likewise Arkansas for Chris Petersen (that Joe Southwick Tweet I posted a couple of days ago apparently is from a fake Southwick account. That a mediocre QB apparently draws enough interest for someone to create a fake Twitter account for him is noteworthy, but also for a debate at another time).

    No one had Florida going with Will Muschamp, although that was a good choice that no one pegged correctly. I'm pretty sure Gary Patterson turned down that job as well.

    Really, only Ole Miss with Hugh Freeze was able to get the first guy it targeted. Probably because Oxford knows its ceiling and limitations.

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    Kyle Van Noy declares for draft, assures Utah rout in Provo in 2013

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-04 08:39:12

    Thank God. I'm not going to get caught up in the claims that BYU is a dirty team, since Van Noy put more than his share of legal hits on Utah players to make him dangerous.

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    Take a team with four 40 percent shooters from 3. Add a future No. 1 draft pick. Take away a season-ending illness from your most versatile player and what do you get?

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-03 22:02:36

    You get what should have been Rick's second Final Four team in 2002-03.

    Man, that team was stacked. Three of the aforementioned marksmen also went to the line a ton, and two of them (Jackson and Jacobsen) were guards. Add Andrew Bogut to that? Along with the athleticism of Markson and Cheney, and Drisdom's mature-beyond-his-years freshman season?

    Sheeeee-eeeeeet. Who the hell beats us that year?

    It's equally fun and maddening to dream about what could have been that year.

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    The various Majerus tributes have come from all perspectives. But for Utes hoops fans, the one must-read is ...

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-03 21:15:56

    ... is the one from Doug Gottlieb.

    It gave great insight into Rick's M.O. with regard to recruiting. If you thought Rick's post-game shows were interesting, you'll be enthralled with what he was saying to Gottlieb about his game and how he'd fit in at Utah alongside Andre Miller.

    And Gottlieb explains Majerus' departure at Utah pretty much confirms what I remember one poster going into detail about some years ago -- Majerus stuck around longer than he probably wanted, but as a state employee, wanted to ensure he qualified for lifetime health benefits from the state.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketbal l/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21234344/ explaining-a-complex-man-majerus-just-want ed-to-talk-ball

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    Better late than never ....

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-03 14:35:22

    http://utahutes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/ spec-rel/120312aaa.html

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    Earlier, I posted my five favorite Majerus wins. Now for the flip side ...

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-03 09:23:23

    Rick's five worst or most dispiriting losses:

    5. Colorado State, 2003. Rick gets T'd up and ejected at the end of the first half -- the first such incident in nearly a decade. Chris Morris' kid hits a couple of huge 3s late, Utah blows a seemingly safe lead and the Utes have to settle for a co-championship with BYU, even though we had swept BYU rather convincingly that year. That CSU would win the MWC tournament was of little consolation.

    4. Texas Tech, Connecticut, 2003. Preseason NIT. This was the most unwatchable Ute team under Majerus. Against Tech, we couldn't get the ball across halfcourt. Against UConn, we couldn't score. We almost lost Bogut to Australia because of this trip. We still won a bunch of games under Maji that season before he stepped down later in the season, but we never won a road game of note against anyone and often looked bad in doing so.

    3. BYU, 2002. We couldn't keep beating BYU forever, and our loss to them in the MWC semis the year before ended our lengthy streak against them. And with a 20-plus point second-half lead, we should've have built on a new one. This was a tough loss to swallow under any circumstances and nearly cost us a spot in the NCAA Tournament.

    2. Kentucky, 1998. Nothing more needs to be said about this loss, but it rates here because it wasn't anything we hadn't experienced before.

    1. Miami, Ohio, 1999. This was a killer. Utah was a Final-Four caliber team the year after making it to the title game, and we had a better seed (2 vs. 3) this year to boot. We had Andre and Alex, and Tony Harvey was indispensable in his ability to play positions 1-3. We also would've had a Sweet 16 matchup against THEM had we won this game. We did a good job of defending Wally Szcerbiak, but several guys had the game of their lives against us. It was just the second loss in the tournament under Majerus to a lower-seeded team (4 vs. 5 to Mississippi State in 1995 was the other) and easily the biggest upset of a Utah team in the Majerus era in March. Getting back to the Final Four was a real possibility with this team, but nobody expected the school's record winning streak (23 games and the first perfect-perfect in league history) to end like this.

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    Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. Are you telling me the death of the greatest coach in Utah hoops history isn't worthy of being mentioned on UtahUtes.com? Seriously, what is wrong with these people?

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-02 00:17:20

    Seriously, someone tell me we've got the good sense to acknowledge Rick's death publicly, right?

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    Off the cuff and with certain knowledge I'm overlooking a few or two dozen, my Top 5 favorite Rick Majerus wins

    by SoCalPat
    2012-12-02 00:09:40

    5. 1999, at Fresno State. This was as probably close as we ever got to a true track meet on the court. Rick was smart enough to know Andre would/could maintain control, even at a breakneck pace, and we overcame a bajillion points by Courtney Alexander to win by 8 or so. Probably the most "fun" game I've ever seen Utah play.

    4. 1992, at BYU. This was the game that "made" me as a Utah fan. I was at Utah Valley, with plans to transfer to Utah after I gained in-state resident status. You couldn't rent in Provo/Orem without having Zoobs around you, and two of my three roommates were just that. Phil Dixon doesn't hit a shot all game but buries a 3 at the buzzer to win in Provo by a point in the WAC opener, and I let loose for a Utah team like I never had before. The following week, my acceptance letter came from Utah, and I went from bleeding orange (Syracuse) to red.

    3. 2002 NCAA Tournament, Oregon. We saw dozens of great performances by Rick, but almost all of them had a common theme of neutralizing an opponent's strengths. The script was flipped for this one, with at least three Utah players fouling out, and the team already without Britton Johnsen because of mono. I think Rick had a team manager in the game in the final minutes, and Bryant Markson -- who as a true never played in tight games late -- hit two massive FTs when we didn't have anyone who could hit water from a boat.

    2. 1995 WAC semifinal, New Mexico. Never had a Utah team looked so good in conference tournament play. Remember, this tourney was in the Pit, and we ass-hammered the Loobs by 36. That is not a typo. Brandon Jessie had nearly 30 points in the first half. Our game came down several notches the next night against Hawaii, but it was still more than enough for Utah to claim its first ever WAC tournament title. But against UNM, there wasn't a team in the country that would've come within 10 points of us.

    1. 1998 NCAAs, Arizona and UNC. It's impossible to talk about one without mentioning the other, but for all the faults Rick had, I'm always taken back to how he defended Britton after Mahktar N'Djiaye said Britton dropped an 'N' on him. That, more than any single moment in Rick's career, is the best evidence of the kind of person Rick was -- loyal, kind and generous, consequences be damned.

    I never thought I'd miss Rick as much as I do today. Thanks for the memories, Coach.

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    Just giving some advance warning here ... nothing to get too worried about because ....

    by SoCalPat
    2012-11-29 09:37:56

    ... we run the risk of only being embarrassed once by him on our home floor in the remaining three years of his career, but Tyler Haws at BYU might be as good as Jimmer. We also play BYU in a week, so it's worth talking about now.

    You've been warned. The only thing saving us from Jimmermania II is Haws doesn't have the goofy name or equally goofy Alfred E. Neuman countenance. As long as he goes about his business, we should spare ourselves from non-stop maddening hype and gushing over his skills, or at least until he drops 40-plus on someone.

    Trouble is, what he's doing is going to bring about attention. Kid is 7 months off his mission and he's a 50-40-90 guy, and unlike Jimmer, he's averaging 7 rebounds per game, too, to go along with his 23 PPG. Short of the jersey he wears, this is something to marvel about given how many RMs we've seen come through our own program that turned out to be pretty good players, but almost always took a year back to shake off the rust. If there's rust still remaining in Haws' game, watch out.

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    And El Jefe responds ...
    (11 days ago, 7 stars)

    Not only that, what men's sport out there requires less overhead than wrestling?
    (12 days ago, 0 stars)

    Boise State drops wrestling, adds baseball
    (13 days ago, 0 stars)

    Got to the line 122 times and immediately becomes our best FT shooter, having made 88 percent last year
    (13 days ago, 2 stars)

    RE: So, Iowa is viewed as a substantially more superior program than Utah?
    (13 days ago, 0 stars)

    You're assuming that Utah and Oklahoma would ever be viewed equally if both have similar resumes
    (14 days ago, 0 stars)

    Also, that "formula" only worked because the Big 12 champ scheduled up massively and had two losses.
    (14 days ago, 1 stars)

    We don't need to worry about Utah being included in this convo anytime soon.
    (14 days ago, 5 stars)

    Are you kidding? UNI, San Jose State and FCS teams is what makes our OOC suck.
    (14 days ago, 0 stars)

    If your OC is a legit QB coach, have him on the sideline. If he's not, have him in the booth
    (14 days ago, 4 stars)

    Agreed. We're easily pulling our weight in this league
    (14 days ago, 0 stars)

    The great thing about this discussion is you can apply many different criteria for where the sports are ranked and they're almost all legitimate
    (14 days ago, 0 stars)

    Hypothetically, they win those titles anyway.
    (14 days ago, 0 stars)

    Gymnastics could've been rated No. 1 if we had seen noticeable improvement since joining the Pac-12
    (14 days ago, 2 stars)

    How would you rate our individual sports within our program after nearly 6 years of Pac-12 play?
    (14 days ago, 4 stars)

    The early signing period lasts only a week. The late signing period lasts over a month. They'll issue one when everything's wrapped up.
    (18 days ago, 0 stars)

    I would've honored one at $2.50, then scramble to find the store policy that states mis-priced items are limit one purchase
    (20 days ago, 0 stars)

    This list speaks to how hard the league is being hit by early entries to the NBA Draft
    (21 days ago, 4 stars)

    It wasn't the pack of wild dogs at the finish like I had hoped (thanks, Ricky and Jordan), but it was compelling all the way to the end. Great show by Sergio and Justin
    (21 days ago, 0 stars)

    TMZ already backing away from original story, and Perry's reps say he's not singing.
    (24 days ago, 0 stars)

    Seconded. It's the one immediate change that can bring an influx of people onto the site.
    (24 days ago, 0 stars)

    RE: Just listened to an interview with Mike Fouts good interview
    (24 days ago, 0 stars)

    RE: Daniels will be missed. Zamora made all of 6 trips to the line in league play.
    (26 days ago, 0 stars)

    Daniels will be missed. Zamora made all of 6 trips to the line in league play.
    (26 days ago, 7 stars)

    While still pitching a fair amount (nearly 300 IP combined) in 1918-19, Babe Ruth led the majors in HRs both years.
    (28 days ago, 3 stars)

    That's a good caveat.
    (28 days ago, 0 stars)

    Things I hope are done to improve the site that may or may not already been mentioned
    (28 days ago, 2 stars)

    I think UNC wins, but I don't like the seeding logic you're presenting here
    (28 days ago, 4 stars)

    FWIW, my icon is still up. Have no idea why or how it still is.
    (28 days ago, 0 stars)

    I'm back
    (28 days ago, 13 stars)

    You never appreciated my opinion. It just so happened we used to be big, consistent winners. Hard to say anything that rocks the boat when that's the case, isn't it?
    (1532 days ago, -3 stars)

    Are you speaking for CodeRed or are you just speaking out of your ass?
    (1532 days ago, -3 stars)

    If the tribe deems it offensive and we lose the NCAA's blessing to use it, the consequences are significant. Do some research on the matter
    (1533 days ago, 0 stars)

    Thanks for keeping tabs on me. Just remember, I have never, ever sought your presence or opinion at any time on any thing.
    (1533 days ago, -4 stars)

    Thanks for the heads up
    (1533 days ago, -1 stars)

    Who the hell are you again?
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    Christ, if its not hoops, then it's beer. I'll take Genesee Light, thank you. Not that Pennsylvania swill
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    Haws got back in April. And the comparison between positions is silly. You're either in shape or you're not, and it was Vegas who gave a much better excuse on this topic anyway
    (1534 days ago, -1 stars)

    Your argument makes a million times more sense than others who have chimed in this thread
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    Damn skippy
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    If that's the audience they want, god bless em
    (1534 days ago, 1 stars)

    There are 340 teams in Division 1. The comparison is only valid if you're ESPN and putting together clips for SportsCenter.
    (1534 days ago, 1 stars)

    I could GAF about the orgasmic pleasure of the 5 watt bulb minds of BYU fans on CB.
    (1534 days ago, 3 stars)

    I would say you're spot on ... But for this
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    You need to keep quiet as well
    (1534 days ago, -8 stars)

    Please. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
    (1534 days ago, -2 stars)

    What on God's green earth is the Trib's motivation behind this bull$#!+?
    (1534 days ago, 8 stars)

    What's Tyler Haws MPG at BYU? Either our conditioning program is severely flawed, or your assessment has zero validity.
    (1534 days ago, 1 stars)

    Just own up to stupid comparisons and the like instead of resorting to name calling. Don't get mad at me for pointing out that you have zero clue as to what's going on in college hoops.
    (1534 days ago, -1 stars)

    Dotson used his redshirt year when he transferred to Utah. I would be shocked if he's ever granted a medical redshirt, unless next year is no different than this year
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    Colorado State is ranked in both polls. Try again
    (1534 days ago, -1 stars)

    I believe Joe is the assistant managing editor over sports, meaning he still has a big say in coverage
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    Retired? For one season that's yet to be completed? Looks more like a senior night honor to me
    (1534 days ago, 1 stars)

    I'm not a fan of these types of stale, unoriginal articles, but you don't know a thing about slander. The word you're looking for libelous, and your "evidence" doesn't come within a million miles of it
    (1534 days ago, 0 stars)

    With Rupert starring as American Fork?
    (1539 days ago, 1 stars)

    Assuming no extension on original contract, ASU is only still on hook if DE's original deal was six years or longer.
    (1540 days ago, 0 stars)

    I've only read these kinds of "predictions" from BYU fans for years. They said it about Alex, Brian and Jordan. It's as if they would prefer to see them injured.
    (1540 days ago, 3 stars)

    My reasons:
    (1540 days ago, 2 stars)

    OSU is mammoth. Biggest regular season game we've had since 2010 TCU
    (1540 days ago, 1 stars)

    I think you need Brian on the field. My thinking, is his youth will allow him to better communicate with players
    (1540 days ago, 1 stars)

    Because we've just been ass-deep in good news around these parts the last 18 months, haven't we?
    (1540 days ago, 3 stars)

    Chow was 66, but I think we can all agree his situation was different than Erickson's
    (1540 days ago, 0 stars)

    We should get an idea pretty quickly of Erickson's influence
    (1540 days ago, 6 stars)

    OK, we gotta add DEricksonsLiver to the Twitter feed here
    (1540 days ago, 0 stars)

    Love the Erickson hire. It goes against all the complaints we've had about Kyle and his methods for hiring assistants.
    (1540 days ago, 25 stars)

    You gotta explain yourself on this one
    (1540 days ago, 0 stars)

    The day Larry was hired, genius
    (1541 days ago, -2 stars)

    No because anyone with a clue knows there are five arenas in the old MWC bigger than anything in the PAC 12
    (1541 days ago, -1 stars)

    Yet your deep and irrational approval of the job Larry has done is somehow OK. Got it
    (1541 days ago, 0 stars)

    I'll take Clyburn, Obrien and Glover and whip anyone's ass on this years roster. You're the one who should be taking notice of the taken Larry inherited; I already have
    (1541 days ago, -2 stars)

    Yeah the coach who is 12-40 vs D-1 competition, can't win close games and repeatedly blows big leads has the same job security as a coach whose won 70 percent of his games.
    (1541 days ago, -1 stars)

    Then take a moment to get to know Larry's contract
    (1541 days ago, 0 stars)

    I know coaching job security is very much a game of "what have you done for me lately?" but the fan who gives Kyle a shorter rope than Larry needs to be watered and fertilized daily.
    (1541 days ago, 3 stars)

    In the critics' eyes, Identity Thief is Goodfellas next to Movie 43
    (1541 days ago, 1 stars)

    Amazing. You're talking of a potential extension for a coach who is 12-40 vs. Division I teams
    (1542 days ago, 1 stars)

    And your response is typical for the self-loathing Utah fan
    (1544 days ago, 0 stars)

    That said, having two overall No. 1 picks puts Utah in rarified air
    (1544 days ago, 1 stars)

    I would hate to see Star with the Chiefs. It's where promising defensive linemen go to have the "Draft Bust" tag affixed to them for life
    (1544 days ago, 0 stars)

    With the franchise tag, can't he sit out all of training camp?
    (1544 days ago, 0 stars)

    It's an old rumor. Also is almost certainly not happening
    (1544 days ago, 1 stars)

    In addition to the full-share argument, that's revenue. Not profit
    (1544 days ago, 2 stars)

    We can't oversign? At all? What if they grey shirt? Are the LOI rules still binding?
    (1545 days ago, 0 stars)

    Amazing. I thought I'd never see the day ...
    (1546 days ago, 0 stars)

    Disclaimer: I'm sipping on some Chivas Regal as I type this and it has in no way influenced my decision. I hear Dennis prefers Dewar's anyway ...
    (1546 days ago, 2 stars)

    Erickson would be a phenomenal pickup. I'm all for it.
    (1546 days ago, 22 stars)

    He wasn't fired from Oregon State or Wazzu
    (1546 days ago, 0 stars)

    Blaine Taylor fired today
    (1546 days ago, 0 stars)

    He'll be Minogue to me
    (1546 days ago, 0 stars)

    You earned your stripes here a long time ago Loboman. No point trying to paint fairytale stories to curry favor here
    (1547 days ago, 2 stars)

    Def Leppard's Pyromania, Iron Maiden's Piece of Mind and Van Halen's Fair Warning
    (1547 days ago, 3 stars)

    I'll add to that in that if you're lining up to go for it, you have less than 5 yards to go for a first down, it's worth lining up on 4th down see if you can get the defense to burn a timeout
    (1547 days ago, 0 stars)

    Reed is also getting up there in years. I think you can let him go and thank him for all his service as he's heading out the door
    (1547 days ago, 0 stars)

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