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Back to the Hays is a 6 out of 10 and Wilson is a 4 out of 10.

Posted By: Ute2004
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 at 07:43 am

What makes the 4 vs 6? It isn't talent, because Wilson has more "talent." It's experience. Now, Hays has gone up against some great defenses, and I appreciate what he has done (except for the 2-3 record).

Whitt said this:

"He's made strides every week since he got on campus, essentially. He's a guy that you will see play this week just like you have in every other ballgame," Whittingham said. "How much he plays is still being determined, but we're pleased with what he has done when he's got his opportunities."


All experience = is confidence. The confidence to do what you are supposed to do. Wilson said this:

Wilson acknowledged feeling more comfortable, calm and confident as his reps have increased.


So, Hays is a 6, Wilson is a 4 (I'd say 5 at this point. Even though it was against second stringers, the confidence you would gain against a team like USC is huge. To lead the team to a TD...he has to be feeling great about himself).

So Hays = 6, Wilson = 5. Wilson gets better every week. He was recruited by 11 of 12 PAC-12 schools (the only school that didn't recruit him was USC, and there is a good chance the scholarship reductions had to do with that). Wilson's ceiling is Drew Bledsoe.

So, Wilson is currently a 5, with potential to be a 10. He gets better every week. The schedule is getting lighter. If he improves every week, and ends up the season being an 8, is that worth keeping a 6 on the field now? And then, if he ends the season at a 7 or 8, and then improves even more, that means by the start of next season he is around an 8 or 9.

Has Utah ever had a QB be an 8 or 9? Maybe. Maybe not.

My point is, what does Hays do better than Wilson that justifies him staying in?

For the Hays lovers, you feel like Jerry Sloan when the Jazz drafted Deron Williams, and Jerry kept starting Milt Palicio because he more "experienced." He had "heart" and had been through "tough times." While you had a future All-Star and All-Pro on the bench. You gave up experience and development for what? Nothing.

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o NEW: Back to the Hays is a 6 out of 10 and Wilson is a 4 out of 10.
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 07:43 am [ID# 1435917] [reply]
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o NEW: My point is, what does Hays do better than Wilson that justifies him staying in?
Biggest T - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 07:58 am [ID# 1435919] [reply]
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o NEW: And Wilson followed that up with a TD drive. Give the kid ONE mistake, you give Hays a lot more than that. (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:03 am [ID# 1435921] [reply]
docUte icon NEW: RE: And Wilson followed that up with a TD drive. Give the kid ONE mistake, you give Hays a lot more than that.
docUte - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:07 am [ID# 1435925] [reply]
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MTM icon NEW: Yes. It was a 3 and out. He didn't march the team down the field with surgical precision. (nm)
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:08 am [ID# 1435929] [reply]
o NEW: RE: And Wilson followed that up with a TD drive. Give the kid ONE mistake, you give Hays a lot more than that.
ghostman - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:30 am [ID# 1435991] [reply]
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o NEW: RE: My point is, what does Hays do better than Wilson that justifies him staying in?
ghostman - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:04 am [ID# 1435923] [reply]
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docUte icon NEW: RE: Back to the Hays is a 6 out of 10 and Wilson is a 4 out of 10.
docUte - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:05 am [ID# 1435924] [reply]
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o NEW: RE: Back to the Hays is a 6 out of 10 and Wilson is a 4 out of 10.
dhisatake - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:23 am [ID# 1435935] [reply]
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docUte icon NEW: I agree there
docUte - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:38 am [ID# 1435944] [reply]
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o NEW: RE: I agree there (nm)
ghostman - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:32 am [ID# 1435994] [reply]
MTM icon NEW: This is where your arguments lose credibility with me
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:07 am [ID# 1435927] [reply]
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docUte icon NEW: RE: This is where your arguments lose credibility with me
docUte - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:10 am [ID# 1435930] [reply]
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o NEW: This^^^^^^^^^^^^was my next post. Good job.
Biggest T - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:39 am [ID# 1435945] [reply]
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o NEW: Hays in 2 of our losses: 46% completion against Utah State. Pick six against USC. He is most definitely part of the problem in our losses. To excuse Hays from any blame in the losses is just being blind. I bet Wilson could have thrown for 46% against
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:22 am [ID# 1435934] [reply]
o NEW: keyword: Might (nm)
ConvertedCoug2 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:29 am [ID# 1435937] [reply]
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o NEW: You are ok with 46% competion percentages, and throwing blindly into coverage resulting in pick six's? (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:35 am [ID# 1435943] [reply]
o NEW: Wasn't it you suggesting exactly that: Hays should not wait until receivers are open, he needs to guess which ones will be open and throw ahead of time? (nm)
Biggest T - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:41 am [ID# 1435946] [reply]
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o NEW: Huh? Nope. I have never said Hays should guess when recievers are open. (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:44 am [ID# 1435949] [reply]
MTM icon NEW: Didn't you just chide someone for not cutting Wilson some slack over a mistake he made?
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:47 am [ID# 1435953] [reply]
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o NEW: Hays made a mistake that cost us a game. Wilson made a mistake that cost us a couple of yards. HUGE difference. Wilson went on to lead us to a TD. Hays? Sure he led us to 14 points, but he gave up 7. Hays was a +7. Guess what? Wilson was a plus 7 as
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:51 am [ID# 1435956] [reply]
MTM icon NEW: You don't honestly believe that do you?
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:01 am [ID# 1435962] [reply]
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o NEW: I honestly believe that Wilson can throw a fade route to the endzone to Scott. Absolutely. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be pimping Wilson. (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:06 am [ID# 1435969] [reply]
MTM icon NEW: I was talking about the pick six costing Utah the game. (nm)
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:47 am [ID# 1436007] [reply]
o NEW: Absolutely, that pick six was one of the major reasons we lost. We lost by 10. A pick six and dropped INT in the endzone by Blechen = 10 pts.
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:56 am [ID# 1436018] [reply]
Puget Ute icon NEW: I guaran-damn-tee you Wilson will throw blindly into triple coverage leading to a pick-6 more often than Hays AT THIS POINT. Hays has thrown THREE picks going back to the GT bowl game. I will take 3 picks in 6 games any day.
Puget Ute - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:03 am [ID# 1435966] [reply]
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o NEW: And I have said 1,000 times that if Hays doesn't throw the pick six, I am 100% in his corner, because Wilson will make that play.
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:14 am [ID# 1435979] [reply]
Puget Ute icon NEW: And you are certain that Wilson won't make that throw because...? IIRC Wilson has thrown a few balls this year that should have been picked.
Puget Ute - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:19 am [ID# 1435984] [reply]
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docUte icon NEW: RE: Hays in 2 of our losses: 46% completion against Utah State. Pick six against USC. He is most definitely part of the problem in our losses. To excuse Hays from any blame in the losses is just being blind. I bet Wilson could have thrown for 46% aga
docUte - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:34 am [ID# 1435942] [reply]
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o NEW: Noramlly I agree with you. But when our offense has devloved into a one read, quick pass or hand it off to White (which it has), then a true freshman vs a senior doesn't matter. Both QB's can only make ONE read. That is it. ONE. If Wilson can't do
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:43 am [ID# 1435948] [reply]
Puget Ute icon NEW: I agree. I think Wilson would have looked very good with the line we had last year, plus Asiata. Bergstrom, Cullen, and Asiata have been very hard to replace. (nm)
Puget Ute - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:12 am [ID# 1435976] [reply]
MTM icon NEW: BS. Not a single loss this year is on Hays' shoulders. He isn't perfect but why aren't you on your soapbox about every other player who has made mistakes?
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:43 am [ID# 1435947] [reply]
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o NEW: Because other players do not have backups that will be much, much better than them (or we don't know about them). Because other players don't have the HC talking about benching them. Because this is a thread about Hays and Wilson. If you want to
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:47 am [ID# 1435955] [reply]
MTM icon NEW: Well the truth is that neither one of us know anything
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:59 am [ID# 1435960] [reply]
o NEW: I agree 100%. But on a boring day of work, this debate makes it a little more tolerable. It's all good fun, and come Saturday, whoever is out there, I will be rooting my tail off for them to be amazing. (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:02 am [ID# 1435964] [reply]
o NEW: Or is there? *cancels rest of the day's patients, runs home and fires up X-Box* (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:08 am [ID# 1435972] [reply]
o NEW: . (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:10 am [ID# 1435973] [reply]
MTM icon NEW: No dig intended (nm)
MTM - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:20 am [ID# 1435985] [reply]
o NEW: My bad. I'll fix it then. Thanks. (nm)
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 10:02 am [ID# 1436029] [reply]
Puget Ute icon NEW: Give him back that TD that was called back on a cheap-ass penalty, and Jon Hays has the second-best performance against USC all year. Only Ryan Nassib of Syracuse put up more yards and TDs vs USC than Jon Hays.
Puget Ute - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:37 am [ID# 1435999] [reply]
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o NEW: p.s. go through my post history. I have said that Blechen needs to get his act together. I did say I thought benching Mo was a good move. I have complained constantly about Dres dropping passes.
Ute2004 - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 08:54 am [ID# 1435957] [reply]
o NEW: RE: This is where your arguments lose credibility with me
ghostman - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:34 am [ID# 1435996] [reply]
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o NEW: RE: This is where your arguments lose credibility with me
ghostman - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 09:40 am [ID# 1436002] [reply]
Puget Ute icon NEW: Jon Hays totally blew the coverage on the 83 yd pass play to Marquise Lee early in the 4th. He lost the game right there. It is all his fault. Also, it is his fault that Dres caught a case of the drops early and couldn't catch perfect passes.
Puget Ute - -- Wednesday 10 October 2012, at 10:08 am [ID# 1436037] [reply]
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