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NEW: For those following the Trayvon Martin shooting in Florida, finally some decent journalism being done to build context in the case. 3UteDad - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:05 am [ID# 1351910] [reply]

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NEW: No Subject mayaute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:19 am [ID# 1351922] [reply]

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NEW: Exactly. Does it really matter that any of his cousins are black or that the neighborhood had been robbed recently by black teenagers? He gunned down an innocent kid. utebehindenemylines - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:24 am [ID# 1351927] [reply]

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NEW: He was not innocent of busting Zimmerman's scalp. (nm) Maji Man - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:13 pm [ID# 1351959] [reply]

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NEW: Based on the video of Zimmerman hours after the attack with no noticeable damage to his scalp or nose? (nm) utebehindenemylines - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:23 pm [ID# 1351968] [reply]

NEW: Huh...I didn't realize this doesn't qualify as noticeable damage: SeaTacUte - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:28 pm [ID# 1351970] [reply]

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NEW: It is documented that the paramedics cleaned up his bloody nose and back of his head (nm) UTAH744 - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 01:02 pm [ID# 1351985] [reply]

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NEW: Guess I'm couple weeks behind. Dang. (nm) utebehindenemylines - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 02:30 pm [ID# 1352033] [reply]

NEW: In other words, let's not confuse people with facts or context if their minds are already made up.... LA Ute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:24 am [ID# 1351928] [reply]

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NEW: Zimmerman did follow Martin while in possession of a firearm and against the instructions of the dispatcher, but none of that was illegal. Stupid, yes. Illegal, no. cbute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:31 am [ID# 1351932] [reply]

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NEW: The second degree murder charge is the thing I don't understand. He seems guilty of manslaughter but they have to prove who attacked who first to a jury. (nm) EducatedUfan - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:46 am [ID# 1351939] [reply]

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NEW: Right, that's the trouble. If the State is going to get a conviction, they have to prove who started the fight. cbute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:56 am [ID# 1351947] [reply]

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NEW: This would be easier to prove if one of the two weren't lying in a coffin (nm) wannabeaute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:58 am [ID# 1351950] [reply]

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NEW: Easier to prove manslaughter if Martin wasn't in a coffin? No actually that would make it impossible to prove any sort of Homicide because he would be alive. Now how the assault happened yes. But I get your shock value statement. (nm) EducatedUfan - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:02 pm [ID# 1351953] [reply]

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NEW: Well, you probably didn't know about this: cbute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:08 pm [ID# 1351958] [reply]

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NEW: Definitely stupid. USS Utah - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:51 am [ID# 1351941] [reply]

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NEW: Civilly, sure. Criminally, no. cbute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:01 pm [ID# 1351952] [reply]

NEW: Exiting the car is enough of a burden to prove manslaughter but the second degree Murder charge no way in hell. (nm) EducatedUfan - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:05 pm [ID# 1351955] [reply]

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NEW: For manslaughter, the State would also have to combat Zimmerman's defense that he tried to withdraw from the confrontation and was unable to do so. (nm) cbute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:39 pm [ID# 1351976] [reply]

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NEW: Had Zimmerman not profiled the young man mayaute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:23 pm [ID# 1351969] [reply]

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NEW: Following Martin and profiling him are not enough to prove who instigated the confrontation. As a defense attorney, I'll take those facts against those charges everyday and twice on Sunday. The State's case is that weak. cbute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:38 pm [ID# 1351975] [reply]

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NEW: Assuming for one moment mayaute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:50 pm [ID# 1351980] [reply]

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NEW: Basically, you are really asking why Zimmerman can't be found guilty of manslaughter. cbute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 01:22 pm [ID# 1351998] [reply]

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NEW: When did he brandish a weapn? You are just making facts up. EducatedUfan - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 01:22 pm [ID# 1352000] [reply]

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NEW: Probably when he shot him. mayaute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 01:25 pm [ID# 1352002] [reply]

NEW: No Educated, mayaute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 01:28 pm [ID# 1352003] [reply]

NEW: Quit inserting facts then man. EducatedUfan - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 01:52 pm [ID# 1352018] [reply]

NEW: Semantics, not inserting facts. mayaute - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 02:04 pm [ID# 1352023] [reply]

NEW: All I am saying is we don't know what happened and we probably never will know what happened. EducatedUfan - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 02:33 pm [ID# 1352034] [reply]

NEW: If someone is bashing your head into the ground, it is by definition a grevious bodily harm. You do not get too many whacks before you are incapacitated and dead. Had Zimmerman not escalated the situation, there would be no doubt it was self-defense. (nm) Utesbyfive - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 02:09 pm [ID# 1352027] [reply]

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NEW: Wow. It sounds like you were there and you know exactly what happened. Any thoughts where we can find OJ's other bloody glove? (nm) Merry Mex - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:47 am [ID# 1351940] [reply]

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NEW: Other bloody glove?? So there was a third one?? GUBA - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:36 pm [ID# 1351973] [reply]

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NEW: RE: No Subject EducatedUfan - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:56 am [ID# 1351945] [reply]

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NEW: Interesting article - I think it's particularly poignant the quote from the African-American lady talking about "the elephant in the room." (nm) SeaTacUte - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:34 am [ID# 1351934] [reply]

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NEW: Down here is Sacramento on the news was a story about a guy that shot an unarmed black kid. UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 11:53 am [ID# 1351943] [reply]

NEW: Just an unfortunate situation with a tragic outcome. utefansince79 - -- Thursday 26 April 2012, at 12:36 pm [ID# 1351974] [reply]

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