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    I know its been a long time...

    by The Voice
    2014-10-21 10:11:58

    Thought I'd stop by and say hello since we have a big game coming up this Saturday. Hope the oldtimers that remember me are doing well. Glad the Utes have continued to recruit Cali well and are making noise in the PAC-12.....it's going to be a good game.

    Timothy D is doing well. Still living in SLC area. Killin it at his church, has 3 boys. Wish we stayed in contact more. Anyway...

    Go Trojans!
    Go Utes!😎

    The Voice

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    Universally Spoiled Children? Let me tell you about Gene, the USC grad, attorney, and would-be polo player

    by wannabeaute
    2014-10-21 14:48:04

    In the early 80's I lived in Huntington Beach. I was married to a girl from Anaheim and one day she brought home a flyer advertising polo lessons at a facility not far away.

    We already had a couple of horses and a truck and trailer, and I thought it sounded fun. We signed up, and long story short pretty soon we are playing polo a couple of nights a week.

    We both knew how to ride, but we didn't know how to play polo, so we took lessons. I was surprised by how hard it was to play at even a beginner's level. Most of the other club members were also beginners, and for a lot of them it was doubly difficult since they weren't experienced riders.

    Enter Gene. Picture if you will a silver BMW with USC licence plate brackets pulling briskly into a dusty parking lot. Picture a cloud of dust. From that dust picture Timothy Dalton's character from "The Rocketeer" emerging, booted and spurred. Gene is ready for his close up. Gene wore tight white breeches. Gene had knee high polished boots buffed to a glossy shine. Despite this being his first day, Gene had already acquired the Winston Polo Club official shirt. I'm sure Gene was a little miffed when he realized the collarless jersey would not accommodate an ascot.

    Gene had his picture taken a lot. Here is Gene next to a horse. Here's Gene astride a horse. Here's Gene with his posse toasting another great chukkar with Pimms in crystal goblets. Here's Gene and his Beamer, and his horse and his Pimms all together. Here is Gene the USC grad attorney proving to all and sundry that he plays polo. Gene has proof. Look at Gene's polo pictures. Here, look at them all.

    But Gene couldn't ride. At all. Gene couldn't ride in a taxi. Gene couldn't ride in a boxcar with the door bolted. Gene could fall off the plastic horse that takes quarters out in front of the Wal-Mart. Before he put a quarter in the slot.

    Now understand that polo has very few rules. I'll name them all right here: You must carry the mallet in your right hand. No head-ons. Play continues if you drop your mallet. Play continues if you fall off your horse. When someone drops his mallet or fer-gawds-sake falls right off his freakin' horse this creates a mismatch for the other side and usually results in a goal. You, yourself, on a purely personal level and for a number of reasons, wish not to fall off your horse. Rather, you hope this happens to the other side.

    Gene fell off a lot and I laughed at Gene a lot. During lessons when Gene would fall off the instructor would blow a whistle and we'd stop while Gene gathered up his equine equipment and someone helped him back aboard his charger.

    But when we scrimmaged or played actual games, there was no time stoppage while Gene the USC grad attorney did his groundwork. Play didn't stop, not even for Gene the USC grad attorney with the silver BMW and the Pimms on ice chilling back at the white-clothed table where his retinue looked on in rapt wonder.

    Now there is one more thing you should know about polo. While it's not a rule, it's quickly understood by even the most rank beginner that you should not steer your animal's face into the backswing of another player. Dobbin is likely to be struck with the hammer-like nose of a wooden mallet at the end of a ten foot arc. Dobbin ain't gonna like it.

    Hell-for-leather Gene rode smack-dab into my backswing one night. My mallet struck his horse's nose quite smartly, and Gene's mount stopped still as a result. Gene, however, did not. Even a good rider would have played hell not being unhorsed after that stop. Did I mention Gene was a not a good rider? Well anyway, in a rather sad attempt to slow his fall, Gene reached for whatever he could grab. What he managed to grip was every piece of tack his horse was wearing forward of the saddle itself. Gene still fell, and hard too. When I looked back Gene had managed to undress his mount of his bridle, bit, neck yoke and reins.

    Imagine a man falling overboard on a boat in shallow water, and then emerging with two hands full of long, dripping moss. That's Gene here but he's not wet, he's dusty, and that's not moss that's leather.

    Forgive me but I still chuckle as I write this a quarter century later. Imagine how hard I laughed when it happened. And not just me. Oh God how we laughed. All of us. Loudly.

    Oddly, Gene was not amused. Dusting a quarter acre of Malibu turf off his mortal coil, he called for a foul. More laughter ensued. He ordered us to fetch his pony. No laughter then, just stony silence. I looked at my teammates. They looked at me. Then they looked at the ball. Then they looked at me again.

    Play had stopped, but no whistle had blown. The ball was live.

    There was nothing else to be done. I trotted my old gray thoroughbred over to where the ball had rolled to a stop, just feet from where the goal waited with open, gaping maw. I wound my mallet above my head and sent the old wooden sphere into the empty goal.

    Gene didn't come back to the Winston Polo Club after that night. Someone said they heard he had taken up lawn bowling, but I think he had enough polo pictures already by that time and was probably ready to tackle another adventure. I'd like to think he was part of the search committee who recommended that USC hire Lane Kiffin. It would make sense.

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    cowherd compliments utah.

    by The_Target
    2014-10-21 08:41:08

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    CB, the gift that keeps on giving.

    by jhill
    2014-10-21 10:03:00

    Don't forget: We are a handful of injuries away from being undefeated right now

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    The Thrills thoughts from the scrimmage

    by The Thrill
    2014-10-21 21:42:13

    Bachynski - Same old Dallin, big guy, probably not aggressive enough, great backup 5. He'll start the season but Poeltl will be right behind him.

    Chapman - Really smooth, long for a 3, really stretches the floor. Didn't do much but you can really see a ton of potential.

    Connor - Great pull up shooter, moves without the ball great, you can tell he's a coaches kid. Would've been an off the bench threat 10 years ago...this year he'll be buried on the bench.

    Eastman - I swear this kid has been a Ute for 8 years. Give him credit, every year he's on the team.

    Kuzma - Very similar to Chapman, young, long, very aggressive and knows where to be. By mid-season I expect him to start with Chapman.

    Loveridge - Best player on the floor tonight. Loveridge shot looks great. He's improved on his deadly mid range shot, saw a leaner, a fade-away and a pull up all around 10-15 feet, plus his three's look great. Still gets lost in the key but he looks lean and strong.

    Ogbe - Smooth shot, still. He looked to know the offense more this year, I expect him to be a threat coming off the bench behind Tucker.

    Olsen - Love the kid but he looks the same as last year. Expect the same Jeremy, he'll have great nights and then he'll disappear.

    Poeltl - I really liked this kid. He moves like a 6'7" small forward but he's 7'0". Left a bit early on screens but he's so long it didn't matter. Needs more weight, big Pac12 5's will push him around but he's quicker than any 5 I've seen in a while. Really aggressive around the rim. Really happy he's a Ute.

    Reyes - Surprised me how big he was. From Lenz to Reyes is a huge upgrade. Not a bad shot, but he seemed to be in on every rebound. Utah needs that aggressive rebounder to clean the glass, Chris is the guy.

    Taylor - He's still undersized, didn't grow much. He still gets lost in the key from occasion and picks up his dribble too soon still...more on that later...Brandon knows the offense and runs it well, didn't shoot great but he's always been streaky.

    Tucker - Probably one of the most athletic players on the team, I'd equate him to Jeremy Evans on the Jazz. Pogo-stick legs and decent shooter just not going to do enough to wow you. He'll get solid minutes though all season due to his tenacity.

    Winder - Dude looks tiny compared to the army of 6'6" guys. He's quick and controlled the offense fine but he's a third option at the point as of right now. He could be a Dominic Artis type player in the future, minus the off the court troubles.

    Delon Wright - Looks smooth as ever. Took a scary spill into the chairs, ala Travis Wilson, but was fine. I was waiting to see this improved shot I heard he's been working on and I can say he did nail an open three...goofy ass form though but it went in. I don't remember his shot looking so goofy. Delon got into the lane with ease several times and finished the Wright way. With solid outside shooting from himself and others he'll be an All-American.

    Isaiah Wright - My crown jewel of the scrimmage. Kid is solid. His shot is one of the best I've seen, such a sweet and soft release. I don't remember him missing a three and he hit plenty. Big plus, he didn't pick up his dribble. Several times he'd drive the baseline and dribble out, ala Steve Nash. He didn't force many balls and usually hit the open guy, plus he moved without the ball great, spread the floor nicely. I truly believe he'll be the starter by Pac12 ball in January.

    Hunty - The stadium looked very much like a basketball stadium. The lighting was impressive. They highlighted the stairs on and off giving the stadium an all-star game feel. I really liked the dimmer lighting in the stands contrasting the bright floor, I hope that's how the season will play out. The curtains over the upper deck made the stadium more intimate, I'm sure smaller crowds will appreciate it...I'm talking to you Levrets. Sound was better, I could understand the PA guy. The floor was just as beautiful as I'd seen in pictures.

    Overall this team is big and athletic, one of the most talented teams I've seen on the hill...including '98. Miller and Doleac were by far better than anybody on this team but overall this years team is deeper and better.

    Miller > D Wright
    Doleac > Bachynski
    Mottola - Olsen
    Jensen < Loveridge
    B Johnson < Kuzma
    Althoff < Poeltl
    D Hansen < Tucker
    Caton < Taylor
    McTavish < I Wright
    Carlisle < Chapman
    Barratt < Reyes
    D Jackson < Ogbe
    Sluga < Winder
    Gooch < Eastman
    Dalton < Connor

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    But any state with old time values where the men work and wives stay at home, will do poorly on this list.

    by tarheelio
    2014-10-21 11:40:56

    I just defended the Utah culture, I have surprised myself.

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    The way this "study" calculates pay gap is idiotic

    by SD_UTE
    2014-10-21 12:01:36

    While a typical man in Utah earned more than $50,000 last year, most women made 70% or $35,252 of that figure, nearly the largest pay discrepancy in the country.

    So no factoring in of different choices in professions, varying work experience, etc.

    Most quality studies that account for all variables show that there is no gender pay gap. If there truly were, men wouldn't have jobs (or they would have a much higher unemployment rate). If corporations could really pay a woman 70% of a man's pay to do the same job, they would only hire women in a heartbeat.

    This is a non-issue used to stoke the coals of a problem that doesn't exist. Now there are certain gender issues that exist, but equal pay for equal work is not one of them.

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    I disagree with your bad. Utah would be dumb to run a fast paced offense. Our strength is our defense and run game. Both of those are hurt by a fast paced offense. Slow the game down, run the clock down, and control the ball. Why go away from your

    by Ute2004
    2014-10-21 09:42:08


    The coaching staff should get kudos up and down the field all day long for changing the offense to compliment the abilities of this team.

    This is the type of football Whitt wants to play, and I'm all for it.

    That being said, our pass game does need help. The good news is, Christensen is one of the best OC's out there, and Wilson, Dres, Scott, Patrick, Clay, Tonga are all, at worst, average football players.

    It's a mental thing.

    More good news: USC is susceptible to the run. We can pound the ball this game and start to rebuild our passing game with timely, easy throws.

    We can tear the passing game down, rely on our rushing, and slowly rebuild the passing game to an acceptable level.

    Our defense, special teams and rushing attack are elite.

    You would have thought we could be a top 10 team with no passing threat at all? That is how good our defense, special teams and rushing attack are.

    We have something special going on here.

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    Our QB issues have everything to do with receivers dropping easy catches and

    by Umanami
    2014-10-21 16:14:28

    O-line pass protection. Fix those two issues and either QB will find success and the play book can be opened up.

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    RE: I don't believe you. Can you show your work?

    by P-Worm
    2014-10-21 13:00:53

    P = Public perception
    H = ESPN homerism
    t = time as season goes on
    R = Probability of SEC in championship.

    R = P + H*e^(t-1)

    We can see that as time marches on, people get more an more orgasmic over the SEC. As time approaches Dec. 1, 2014, R should be at an all time high. I predict about a 99.98% probability. Also note that the H term grows to an unprecedented ~1.23e2 national wanks per hour on ESPN.

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    Something not being talked about a lot is how poor the USC special team coverage is.

    by pop
    2014-10-21 13:42:50

    Against OrST they gave up 4 returns for 170 yards thats 42.5 per return and a 97 yd TD.

    Against FrSt 4 returns for 72 yards thats 18.0 per return.

    Stanford's had 3 returns for 69 yards, thats 23 per return and the only put they returned went for 44 yards.

    BC had 4 for 82 yds, 20.5 avg.

    ASU had 5 returns for 131 a 26 yd avg.

    UA had 2 for 39 yds on kick returns but the only punt they returned went for 43 yds.

    CU had 5 returns for 103 yds a 20 yds avg.

    So far this year clay has had return yardages of 146, 14, 116, 104, 35, and 20. The last two games he has been kicked away from and only had 3 returnable punts/kick.

    USC is 105th/127 in long punt returns allowed and 113th in avg reuturn yards per punt.
    Utah is 19th in long punt returns, 7th in punt return yd avg

    USC is 114th in long kick returns allowed and 116th in avg return yards per kick.
    Utah is 40th in long kick returns and 1 of only 19 teams that have a kickoff return for a TD and 3rd in kickoff return yd avg which means people are just kicking it away from us because most of the time when clay sees one he wants to return he makes a big play.

    They will either kick it away from him from the start and that will give us great field position a lot or they will kick it to him a few times to feel it out and he will take one to the house.

    I'm guessing the latter. They will think they can boot it due to the high altitude and he will take a punt or kick back and then they will kick away from him the rest of the game giving us good position.

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